What IS Up With Innovative?

[Accord 0]

I am sure the site is better then Nikes.

LOL, so true.

Nike's website is the worst.

[Briggy 0]

The Vapor XXX and XV are made by Inno? 

XXX = Inno True One ?

XV = Inno 1100 ?

http://www.hockeyandskateoutlet.com does a lot of retail Inno business.

The Vapor XX is equivalent to the Inno 1100.

I've heard people say that, but I have both a XX and a 1100, and they are NOT the same stick. The XX has a pronounced dual concavity to it, while the 1100 is not close. Perhaps calling it a modified version of the novius design I could believe (less the boron spine and such), but, despite what numberous people have said around here, I do not see the 1100=XX.

I didnt say that the sticks were exactly the same, they are Inno sticks made to Bauers specs.

[Accord 0]

What is the XV shaft equivelant to?

[ambro 0]

The Vapor XXX and XV are made by Inno? 

XXX = Inno True One ?

XV = Inno 1100 ?

http://www.hockeyandskateoutlet.com does a lot of retail Inno business.

The Vapor XX is equivalent to the Inno 1100.

I've heard people say that, but I have both a XX and a 1100, and they are NOT the same stick. The XX has a pronounced dual concavity to it, while the 1100 is not close. Perhaps calling it a modified version of the novius design I could believe (less the boron spine and such), but, despite what numberous people have said around here, I do not see the 1100=XX.

You used to be able to get 1100's in double concave, so the shape doesn't really tell you if they're similar or not. In my experiences, they felt like very similar shafts.

Accord - The XV equivalent of the 1100 tapered.

[Accord 0]

The Vapor XXX and XV are made by Inno? 

XXX = Inno True One ?

XV = Inno 1100 ?

http://www.hockeyandskateoutlet.com does a lot of retail Inno business.

The Vapor XX is equivalent to the Inno 1100.

I've heard people say that, but I have both a XX and a 1100, and they are NOT the same stick. The XX has a pronounced dual concavity to it, while the 1100 is not close. Perhaps calling it a modified version of the novius design I could believe (less the boron spine and such), but, despite what numberous people have said around here, I do not see the 1100=XX.

You used to be able to get 1100's in double concave, so the shape doesn't really tell you if they're similar or not. In my experiences, they felt like very similar shafts.

Accord - The XV equivalent of the 1100 tapered.

Thanks.

I love my XV, i'll probably just get an 1100 tapered then next time.

Are the XV blades the same as the Inno graphite tapered blades or?

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

You used to be able to get 1100's in double concave, so the shape doesn't really tell you if they're similar or not. In my experiences, they felt like very similar shafts.

Yep, and I had one, and they are not the same.

I didnt say that the sticks were exactly the same, they are Inno sticks made to Bauers specs.

And, not to be argumentative, but if the XX is an 1100 made to Bauer's specs (i.e., changed), then it's not an 1100. That's like saying a Honda Accord is like a Acura TL, but made to Acura's specs (with different body panels, engine, transmission.... )

[ambro 0]

You used to be able to get 1100's in double concave, so the shape doesn't really tell you if they're similar or not.  In my experiences, they felt like very similar shafts.

Yep, and I had one, and they are not the same.

Like I said, they are similar. Not the same.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

OK, and not to beat a point into the ground, but how are they the similar? One has polar fibre, the other does not, one has a pretty major dual concavity thing going on, the other does not...... are they similar simply because they're both made out of some kind graphite material, are roughly shaped like a long rectangluar shaft, and are both meant to be used in conjunction with hockey? Because, those are the only similarities that I can see....

Ribbing aside, I don't even see a similarity here. But, perhaps that is better left to better hockey-science minds than my own.

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

1100s do not just come in polarfibre and a square handle. There were different handle shapes available for the 1100 and non-polarfibre options.

[Briggy 0]

OK, and not to beat a point into the ground, but how are they the similar? One has polar fibre, the other does not, one has a pretty major dual concavity thing going on, the other does not...... are they similar simply because they're both made out of some kind graphite material, are roughly shaped like a long rectangluar shaft, and are both meant to be used in conjunction with hockey? Because, those are the only similarities that I can see....

Ribbing aside, I don't even see a similarity here. But, perhaps that is better left to better hockey-science minds than my own.

Innovative made sticks MADE TO BAUERS specifications. THey are not the same stick it is made by Innovative for Bauer. IT IS NOT THE SAME STICK, but similiar. The Innovative OPS does not have Polar Fibre. Its really not that hard. Innovative made sticks made to Bauers Specs.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I think the similarities are in the performance and materials of the shafts. They may differ in shape and grip, but on alot of sticks those are options (plus the XX can be purchased in polarfibre and I assume the XV can as well). It seems all of the options are the same, the performance is very similar and the weight/balance is very close as well. They are not the same stick, but they share alot more similarities than most brands do.

[ambro 0]

I think the similarities are in the performance and materials of the shafts. They may differ in shape and grip, but on alot of sticks those are options. The performance is very similar and the weight/balance is very close as well. They are not the same stick, but they share alot more similarities than most brands do.

Exactly. If you've used an XX and an 1100, you should be able to tell that they are similar shafts, because of the performance aspects of each shaft

(plus the XX can be purchased in polarfibre and I assume the XV can as well)

Really? Where can you get an XX or XV in Polarfibre? I don't really want one, but I just didn't know you could get them like that.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I remember alot of people talking about them when they first came out. They weren't widely available and most stores opted not to carry them apperantly (Polarfibre doesn't sell well in my area). I've never seen one in person, but have heard the rumour of a XX in a sandpaper grip.

[Jim A 4]

The Inno/BNH connection goes back to '95/96 when Nike came out with shafts as they were all made by Inno for BNH to their specs..things like the oval Cirrus, single sided concave Troika (a great shaft) etc...never mind that at the time they had the 260/280/300 type stiffness ratings on them as well..

they have not made the jump to retail prominence ala Eagle did in the late '90's after being an R&D output many companies and making their pro gloves

that being said..most retailers..its a lot easier for someone to come in and see Bauer, CCM, Hespeler, etc..than "innovative" and try to explain who they are to the average player, which is not the people on this board...

[KnightII 0]

The Inno/BNH connection goes back to '95/96 when Nike came out with shafts as they were all made by Inno for BNH to their specs..things like the oval Cirrus, single sided concave Troika (a great shaft) etc...never mind that at the time they had the 260/280/300 type stiffness ratings on them as well..

they have not made the jump to retail prominence ala Eagle did in the late '90's after being an R&D output many companies and making their pro gloves

that being said..most retailers..its a lot easier for someone to come in and see Bauer, CCM, Hespeler, etc..than "innovative" and try to explain who they are to the average player, which is not the people on this board...

So does this mean that ALL BNH composite sticks/shafts/blades are mfg'd by inno according to BNH specifications?

Does BNH manufacture any of their own composite sticks/shafts/blades?

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

I think the similarities are in the performance and materials of the shafts. They may differ in shape and grip, but on alot of sticks those are options (plus the XX can be purchased in polarfibre and I assume the XV can as well). It seems all of the options are the same, the performance is very similar and the weight/balance is very close as well. They are not the same stick, but they share alot more similarities than most brands do.

OK, I can live with/buy that explaination.

[Jim A 4]

The Inno/BNH connection goes back to '95/96 when Nike came out with shafts as they were all made by Inno for BNH to their specs..things like the oval Cirrus, single sided concave Troika (a great shaft) etc...never mind that at the time they had the 260/280/300 type stiffness ratings on them as well..

they have not made the jump to retail prominence ala Eagle did in the late '90's after being an R&D output many companies and making their pro gloves

that being said..most retailers..its a lot easier for someone to come in and see Bauer, CCM, Hespeler, etc..than "innovative" and try to explain who they are to the average player, which is not the people on this board...

So does this mean that ALL BNH composite sticks/shafts/blades are mfg'd by inno according to BNH specifications?

Does BNH manufacture any of their own composite sticks/shafts/blades?

don't know for sure...does it matter?? if inno has a factory...why not use it??

in the cycling biz..Giant made bikes for everyone out there before doing it on their own..etc..and still make it for others...its not a bad thing..

does Eagle still make pro gloves for other companies??

[KnightII 0]

The Inno/BNH connection goes back to '95/96 when Nike came out with shafts as they were all made by Inno for BNH to their specs..things like the oval Cirrus, single sided concave Troika (a great shaft) etc...never mind that at the time they had the 260/280/300 type stiffness ratings on them as well..

they have not made the jump to retail prominence ala Eagle did in the late '90's after being an R&D output many companies and making their pro gloves

that being said..most retailers..its a lot easier for someone to come in and see Bauer, CCM, Hespeler, etc..than "innovative" and try to explain who they are to the average player, which is not the people on this board...

So does this mean that ALL BNH composite sticks/shafts/blades are mfg'd by inno according to BNH specifications?

Does BNH manufacture any of their own composite sticks/shafts/blades?

don't know for sure...does it matter?? if inno has a factory...why not use it??

in the cycling biz..Giant made bikes for everyone out there before doing it on their own..etc..and still make it for others...its not a bad thing..

does Eagle still make pro gloves for other companies??

I don't care who makes it, I just want to know which Bauer product is made by inno and which is not. I think I'm even more confident in purchasing a Bauer product if I knew that it was mfg'd by inno.

Let's put it this way...I'm looking for a new tapered shaft...right now, I like the Bauer XV and the Inno 1100. If I knew that they are both essentially the same product (I know there are slight differences) and if both are mfg'd by the same company, I will probably purchase the one that has the best price.

[ambro 0]

I would take the 1100 regardless of price. It will probably be cheaper anyways, and I've seen durability problems with the XX shaft/XV.

[Cheechoo 0]

The Inno website says that the True 1 is avaialble in a "soft grip" version, but none of the internet stores I've checked even list a Grip True 1. Anyone know how/where to get a grip True 1?

[Chadd 916]

The Inno website says that the True 1 is avaialble in a "soft grip" version, but none of the internet stores I've checked even list a Grip True 1.  Anyone know how/where to get a grip True 1?

If you stumble across one, you can get it. That's about the only way with Inno products.

[malcb33 100]

My friend bought a grip true 1 from epuck, I don't know if they listed it on the website. They may have them is stock if you ring!!! :P

[ambro 0]

My True 1 seems to have some sort of grip on it. Doesn't feel like the soft grip I had on my 1100's, but it is definately more grippy than my acrylic 1100's.

[hink9 0]

not to hijack the thread but, how does soembody order an inno 1100 with the specs they want as far as handles and flex, is it trial and error or best to call. and why is hockeygeeks so high on inno stuff? ok thanks

[asdfa 0]

i saw some all black inno true ones at my lhs (SFS just hockey in toronto). the grip and stick was really nice, but at $300 cdn a pop, i wouldn't recommend it