Bit of a side tangent from the original poster's Q, but if someone was looking to pick up a pair of pro stock HP45s with all the "XTRA" padding that can be found on some models - Just weighed my Jets Mediums and they are a whopping 2.04 Kg (~4.5 lbs) dry and take on a lot of sweat during play. Make sure you know what protection package the pants you're picking up have.