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I think one mistake people make is to compare different sizes of one profile instead of comparing different profiles developped for their runner length. For example if you put a Quad II profile on a size 2 skate you will allmost get a 13' single radius profile. I am missing a good technical definition of the practical differences between the three multiradius profiles instead of calling them agility, power and dynamic. A database with the runner length, instead of skate sizes, for which the profiles were developed and a description of the effect that a bigger or smaller runner would have on the properties of the profile would be nice.

The chassis is riveted directly to the composite shell. It looks like there is a layer of carbon fiber on the inside of the bottom of the shell.

Maybe, but only if they didn´t use a multiple radius profile before. If you are talking about the gliding area of a blade, these profiles are more or less similar to a single radius. The Quad zero has a 11' gliding area. I had made experiences with 10', 11' and 13' single radius profiles before. This winter I could test the Ellipse zero Profile and the True stock 9'/10' dual profile. These newer profiles have distinct and recognizable individual different properties. I think that those multiple radius profiles could lead to a smaller individual compromise between agility/acceleration and stability/glide.

Making customized toe and heel shims could be hours of try and error. Hasn't someone already used a basic heel shim on a similar skate?

Thank you for your answer. The TF7 is a one piece boot construction made of a stiff glas fiber composite material. The lower part of the boot consists of the insole, which is placed on the composite shell, and the composite shell itself. The holders are riveted directly to and through the composite shell.

With my new TF7 7.0R roller skates, I would like to have a little more forward pitch. I can achieve this with my iceskates through the profile and my balance point is in the right place. Since I am very satisfied with the fit of the TF7 and the stockinsoles I would like to achieve the forward pitch through outer shims. The guys at my LHS have no experience with this and have concerns that the insertion of shims under the heel leads to a tension on the skate, which could damage it in the medium to long term. Has anyone of you have experience with this procedure and what materials have been used for? Which height do the shims need to achieve a moderate but noticeable forward pitch?

Some people already had a similar opinion. It seems that you have to go down a number if you want to compare the Ellipse profile with a Quad profile of the same range.

Did you change your sharpening? Coming from a 95/75FBV(1/2" ROH) with my 11' profile, the LHS recommended a 3/4 ROH for the Ellipse zero and was right.

Two days ago my TF7 7.0R rolllerskates arrived. Due to wet weather i couldn´t try them outdoor, just rolling around on the parquet floor in my apartment. I have TF7 6.5R iceskates which are a breath too short and too tight in the toe area for me. Exchanging the felt-tongue for a pro-tongue and heatmoulding the skates with paddings on my big- and my small toe made them work for me, but they should not be a millimeter shorter. I do not know why, but the pro tongue gave me a few millimeters more length. Because I wanted a little more space in the toebox I decided to buy the 7.0R rollerskates, and that`s how they are feeling like at the moment. However, I would not exclude that they are a touch too long after breaking them in. So it could be that my ideal size would be 6.75R. The 6.5 boot has the "ToeboxLip" and the naked plastic of the toebox above, and the 7.0 boot has the end of the toebox covered with foam completely. The 7.0 boot is about 5-7mm longer than the 6.5 boot(outside, very difficult to measure). On the bottom of the sideparts I can find some small codes printed, a part of it is the "size 6" on the 6.5 boot and "size7" on the 7.0 boot. If only the padding makes the difference of the sizes, the 7.0 and the 7.5 or the 6.5 and the 7.0 should have the same length. Maybe the boots are full-sized and they combine them with different toeboxes, not only different paddings to create half sizes? Or the boots are half sized and they cut off a part of the boot to create a full size? Or they combine a full sized boot with the next bigger full sized toecap(size 6 boot with size 7 toecap = size 6.5 skate) to create a half size? Only True knows.

@ Janook Did you measure the outside length of the boots?

Can it be a topic of wear and aging of the wheels? Was the grip, ok when the wheels were new? How long is the first use of the Wheels back and did you use them in a warm environment? Did they loose their profile and did their diameter decrease significantly?

With my skates size 6.5/254mm I am between the recommendations of ProSharp for the Quad Zero/XS and the Ellipse Zero/XS profile. I had the opportunity to try the Ellipse Zero profile, but I want a little more agility and acceleration without sacrificing speed and stability to much. If I understood properly, both the Quad Zero and the Ellipse XS profile are more agile than the Ellipse Zero. Could someone please tell me his experiences with these three profiles on a similarly sized skate? And what are the major differences between these profiles? I´m coming from single radius profiles and would like to know which profile I should try next.

And did you have the opportunity to compare the different wheels? My MPC Freestyle dual wheels in a HILO setup arrived today, still waiting for my True skates to arrive. The wheels also have different grades of cloudiness/lucidity.

Despite all the recommendations, you will not get around trying the skates on. With the Trues and other highly thermoformable skates, the real fit will only become apparent after baking, smaller pressure points can usually be bulged out without any problems. How old is your son and with which skates has he already had good experiences?

You could try Fit 3 or True.

I don't remember exactly but must be 108'' or 120". You have to try. For my Supremes I was using 130'' for a size 6.5 skate. I have a high instep and forefoot and have to pull the tongue close to the toecap to get into the skates. When my foot is inside the skate I have no space to get a lace through the eylets, but I like the wrap.

I'm just using longer laces. Don't have to remove the laces from the top eyelets. For me the pro tongue is much more comfy than the felt one and it gives a better lock of the heel and midfoot in my Tf7.

Interesting discussion. From the point of view of an untrained, overweight beginner who stood on skates for the first time in his life at the age of 50, it has something to do with building muscular strength. Of course, the development of neuromuscular automatisms is at least as important. An example is a skating session with tightly laced, stiff skates during which the laces loosen a little. For a while I can skate with the loosened laces without any problems, but then I get muscular exhaustion and I get insecure while skating. When I tighten my skates again, I can easily skate for a while longer.

I use this balance board: https://www.challenge-disc.com/en/ The exercises in the app and the digital feedback give me the motivation to practice more and to compare my improving scores. Twice five minutes of exercise a day cause reproducible muscle soreness in me. You can certainly use an analog board with an exercise book / video. My balance and the associated muscles have improved significantly.

Today I had the opportunity to compare the Ellipse Zero and the True Stock Profile(9'/10') on good pond ice. I´m skating in True TF7 6.5/254mm. The Ellipse felt more natural and intuitive to me than the Stock Profile. On good ice, the maneuverability of the ellipse profile is sufficient for me, although I could turn on a dime with the Stock Profile. The acceleration of the Stock Profile is better than the Ellipse, but the Ellipse is still ok for me. I think there is no need to talk about the stability advantage of the Ellipse Profile. What surprised me, however, was the clear speed advantage of the Ellipse Profile over the Stock Profile, although the Stock profile has a 95/75 FBV cut and the Stock Profile only has a 3/4'' ROH cut. When I compare the Ellipse Profile with my memories of my old skates with an 11' Profile at the beginning of the season before the lockdown, the Ellipse seems more agile, stable and faster to me. But this would have to be verified with the same skates and at the same time. If I had to choose between the profiles, I would definitely use the Ellipse Zero profile. If I could wish for something, I would give the Ellipse Profile a little bit more maneuverability and acceleration. Could this be the Quad Zero or the Ellipse XS Profile for me?

Does anyone know the differences between the different skate tongues and their effects on the skate properties? Do you have to bake or position them differently?

Sorry, didn't Google the + version. Try baking with the shrink wrap method to get a better wrap and heellock. You can find it on YouTube for True skates.

The speed plates have the right size, rebake them. Try to find socks that don't slip on your insoles. The quarter package of your skate is not heat moldable. Your only way to reduce volume is trying to use a thicker or padded tongue, a thicker insole, ankle booties and tying tight with waxed laces.

Otherwise we would all skate on flipflops with holders/runners installed.

My target is to get a better ankle-/heellock without the need of tying the laces close to my painlimit. I have very little room between tying my laces too loose or too tight. Maybe I should give the skates more time to break in and do another bake.