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Any tips on how to shrink the stretched and baggy leather palms of my Easton Synergy 650 Gloves?

I tried to compare two different runners. It´s almost impossible to see a big difference. But you can feel a big difference while skating. Compared to the Ellipse, the toe area of the Quad is more like a short traditional single radius profile.

That's the same problem I had with the Ellipse and Zuperior profile. I tried a lot of profiles for my 254mm runners(Ellipse Zero, Ellipse XS, Quad Zero, Zuperior XS and Quad XS) with my two sets of runners. I don´t like the toe area of the Ellipse and Zuperior profile. Finally it seems that I'm going to stay with the Quad XS for the next time. And with the Quad XS(recommended for 254mm) I could go to the recommended ROH 19mm(3/4"). Before the change I was using a 92/75 FBV(9/16" ROH) with my 11' single profile. Prosharp recommends a 25mm(1") ROH for the Quad I and the Quad I for 288mm runners. I´m happy with the agility and acceleration of the Quad XS.

I fixed a little slip of the heel by compressing the hot boot with both hands before sliding my foot into it during the baking process.

My toes touched the cap in my TF7 6.5R even in hockey stance, but didn´t curl. I had the feeling that they would be too small for several hours. After one bake in the shop, changing the tongue for the pro version, a second bake with saran wrap at home and a third bake with saran wrap at home after 20 hours on the ice they have a perfect fit.

If your son should decide to try the Quad XS, just do it with default settings without pitch correction. I tested a Quad Zero on my 254mm skates with a 10mm pitch correction. It was a different profile compared to the original, less agile, less acceleration and less stable for crossovers.

If the pitch is corrected by moving the pivot point towards the toe, the middle section was moved forward by maybe 20mm. Again only prosharp knows what happens to the profile, because we don't know the exact details of the profile. It could be that the oversize of the profile and the pitch-correction generated a "franken-profile triple radius 10-12-14". In another source Prosharp mentioned that you could go up or down one size if the recommended size shouldn't satisfy. If you want a better acceleration than you have to go to a smaller profile radius in the toe area. With the Quad XS the middle section of the blade has almost the same radius and the heel is even a little bit longer than the 10/11', only the toe area is significantly shorter.

@tvguy What are the situations he is missing the grip? Making turns, skating tight crossover circles, pushing off, stopping or while standing?

Quad 0.5 profile has a recommendation from Prosharp, and was developped, for skate size 8-9(runner 280/288mm). If you apply this profile on a 254mm runner, its properties change in a way only prosharp knows. In theory, the middle section 10-12' becomes functionally more dominant and the original forward pitch becomes even more. In the worst case your son is skating on an extremly forward pitched 10/12' profile. If your son wants to try a new profile he could start with the Quad XS, Ellipse XS or Zuperior XS, all of them recommended from prosharp for the 254mm runner. I would suggest to try the Quad XS first, because it is more close to a single/dual profile and Bauer is selling it with their higher end skates out of the box. Compared to the 10/11' profile the Quad XS should give him more acceleration, agility and stability while maintaining the speed. But it's all try and error.

Doesn´t sound logic, but the skater is always right. What is the size of the runner and his weight? And was it still a 10/11' profile (how many manual sharpens before profiling?)?

I think the easiest solution is to use a taller runner and get it profiled like your old one(8mm longer profile area).

You could try to apply a very small amount of baby powder.

If you want to try something similar to the Quad XS, go down one size for the Ellipse. If you want to try something different, try the Ellipse XS, the Quad Zero or the Quad XXS. Or stay with the Quad XS if you like it. 🤣🤣🤣

The quad profiles are towards agility, the zuperior profiles are more towards speed and stability and the ellipse profiles are somewhere in between. Going up one size should give you more speed/stability and going down one size should give you more agilty/acceleration. Following the recommendations from Prosharp, you can try 9 multiradiusprofiles for your runner size 😉

Could be a musculus tibialis anterior syndrome or shin pain. Both is induced through a overload of muscles or their insertions. Get used to the new skates a little more slowly and don't tie your upper laces too tight.

Bigger or longer? And what about the sizing chart for the speedplate insoles? https://www.hockeyunlimited.fi/epages/hockeyunlimited.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/2014061601/Categories/Bauer_Speed_Plate_20_kokotaulukko

If you are coming from a radius probably smaller than 9' you will have similar problems with an adequate Quad or Ellipse profile and a 1/2" hollow. Even if you go down one or two sizes. At first I would try a flatter hollow, maybe 5/8" or even 11/16" and adapt a bit to the new profile. After this a Quad Zero could be a good starting point to find a suiting multiradius profile for you.

I don't know about the other differences. But Bauer EE and Fit 3 size skate boots are a half size longer than D or Fit 1+2. You can see this in the sizing charts for the runners and for the Bauer speedplate insoles.

Both boots have the same length, 25,1 cm. If Fit 2 fits you best, you should tkake Fit 2, and vice versa.

The pro tongue can be a big upgrade, but you can get it for about 70cad online.

For the beginning I would concentrate on one skate and change the profile or the insole. And give the change at least five hours on the ice. Don´t change too many parameters at once. 😉

I think it will be try and error. It could be that you have to experiment with your pivot point. But Its a complete different setup. A new, unused and shorter Skate itself makes a big difference. If I would be you I`d put on an Ellipse Zero and give the Skate 20h for breaking in. Than reevaluate. Going from Zero to XS should take away less steel. If your new Skates have the Bauer Power Profile, I just would use this Profile for breaking in.

I´m fine-tuning my skate-setup by trying some profiles, cuts, lacing techniques and insoles with my TF7 254mm. I compared Stock profile (9/10') vs. ellipse zero, ellipse zero vs. ellipse xs, ellipse xs vs. quad zero with only 10mm pivot-shift, and my blades just arrived with a quad xs to compare with the quad zero. In my opinion it´s not easy to compare the profiles because I need several hours to get used to a new profile and take full advantage of it. The ellipse xs has a e better agility, stability and speed compared to the quad zero with 10mm pivot shift, but skating is way easier for me with the quad. Other people have the opinion that the Quad zero has the same agility than the ellipse xs. What can you learn from this information? You have to try it yourself! Two days ago, I was trying a thin and stiff orthopedic custom insole, which didn´t work in other skates, with my TF7. And wow, more agility, better edge control, better energy transfer, less comfort, but the quad profile feels completely different than with the more cushioned stock insole. Maybe the insole moved my balance point? And now? Stay with the custom insole and start a new profile comparison? I don´t think that a 263mm runner makes a big difference compared to a 254mm runner as long as the holder is mounted on the same balance point and the pivot point of the profile is centered to the same point towards your balance point as with the 254mm runner. The 263mm runner is only 3,5% longer. If you are switching from a perfect sized skate to a skate which is too long, you are changing the pivot point of the runner towards your toes, if your heel is locked in and the profile has a standard pivot point on the longer skate. If you are putting a multi radius profile on a longer or shorter runner than it was designed for, it will change the proportions of the different radii and the pivot point. This means it is a different design than it was originally developped. Even so, of course, this can work for you. Of course you can correct my theoretical considerations if they should be wrong.

I would recommend something between 5/8 and 3/4. But it's a little bit of try and error. With a flatter profile like the quad 0.5 you won't be able to make a turn or stop if if your hollow is too deep. Maybe 11/16 for the beginning?

After a few weeks with the Ellipse XS I was still not one hundred percent satisfied and this week I tried a Quad Zero Profile with pivotpoint reduced by 10mm. All I can say after a one-hour hockey session is that it plays in the same league as the Ellipse XS, but is still quite different. What I can clearly say is that the forward pitch is less, but still sufficient, and the heel and the toe are much rounder. It feels more like a classic single profile in comparison. In a subjective and retrospective comparison, the Ellipse XS is slightly faster and even more manoeuvrable, but the Quad Zero accelerates better and is better for cross overs. But for an accurate comparison, I first have to get used to the quad and then try it out one-to-one. The winner is far from certain, although the quad profile feels better for me at first.