hockeydad3

I can't find the Omni Quad profile templates for order on the Blackstone Homepage.

I'm using a special lacing technique for a good heellock with my Tf7. Through eylet 3 and 4 from the top I'm building an outsideloop and then go through it across from the top eylet for the final knot and loop. I found it somewhere here in the forum. Gives you a perfect heellock and forward flex without too much pressure. I'm planning a rebake after 20 hockey sessions for breaking them in and will try a standard lacing then.

Or maybe they have been tied too tight while baking and changed the fit of the arch. Could simple rebaking change this? One insole of my TF7 had a thickening at the edge in the arch area, filing it flat was the solution for me.

If one consistently followed the theory that different areas of the runner are responsible for different actions, one would have to make different templates for different runner lengths. So there should be a different Quad Zero profile template(6 9 11 13) for, for example, 246mm and 296mm runners, right? If the runner is too short, the acceleration zone would be too far forward, or no longer there, and if the runner is too long, the acceleration zone would be too far in the middle, right? Prosharp recommends choosing only one size below and above the optimal recommendation. That means that the Quad Zero Profile would only be ok for skates between size 6 and 9. This seems to be a problem of the multi radius profiles, single and dual profiles don´t need this adjustment.

Do you think that a Quad zero could be a good choice for a size 11 skate?

Is Bauer really putting a Quad Zero on every runner length? Try them on ice! I have two sets of runners for my trues´s, one is from Step and is some mm´s lower. The stock ones had been pofiled ellipse xs and the step had been profiled ellipse zero. I couldn´t tell the difference between them by eye, no matter what i`ve tryed. On ice there was a huge difference. Now both are profiled ellipse xs and one set had been sharpened twice by hand and its feeling different in my head. But i didn´t have the time to compare both sets directly on the ice. Maybe you could digitice the runners and try a comparison on a pc.

Has anyone of you some information on the different FBV A-Trap goalie cuts? Maybe a comparison chart or an exact definition of the three parameters? Which ones are for 3mm or for 4mm blades? Tank you for your answers. Martin

Don´t forget that half and full sizes have a different construction in the toebox. In a half-size boot the toebox, above a small foam-wall, is some mm longer than the insole.

If you had limited me as a late adult beginner with handicaps(never before done skating or sports, overweight, over 50 years old) to a 10' radius with a 1/2' hollow, I would have given up my 'hockey career' after a few weeks.

Maybe you didn´t choose the right Quad for your runner-lenght, or a Quad is not suitable for your setup/skating style. Depends on which profile/pitch you are coming from and what you want to achieve. The Quad seems to be more focused on agility and acceleration, the Zuperior on stability and speed and the Ellipse seems to be somewhere between those two.

Because I was searching for something more maneuverable than Ellipse Zero, I had the choice between the Ellipse XS, Zuperior XS and Quad Zero. Finally I made the decision to try the Ellipse XS next. Due to covid lockdown during the last months, I only had been playing for some Times on TF7 roller skates on outdoor rinks. And I was skating for my own on a pond for maybe 5-10 times during the winter. End of september was the last time I was in a inside hockey rink. So you should take my latest experiences with a grain of salt. On wednesday I was on ice playing hockey with my almost brandnew TF7( 6.5R 254mm, never played Hockey with them). My first impression with the Ellipse Zero(3/4") was awfull, too much forward pitch, too much steel under my toes and under my heel and the feeling like beeing on rails. After two minutes I changed my Step runners for the stock ones with the Ellipse XS(11/16"). Way better, everything was feeling natural as it should be and more than enough maneuverability, grip and glide. I will continue with the Ellipse Xs and after some time I will reevaluate again. It would be nice if I had finally found a hockeyskate setup for myself and could concentrate on skating.

My feet are almost the same. Normal shaped but high instep and low arch. I'm happy with my new True TF7 in 6.5D with a Pro Tongue and without arch inserts. My feet are 256mm long.

If you're satisfied with the Zuperior S, stay with it. Prosharp says you could go up or down one size from the recommendation.

For you a Zuperior S (6-12-20 feet) feels the same like a 9/10 feet profile? I'm using my Tf7 without arch inserts and the stock insole.

Coming from a 11" profile on 6.5 Supreme 170s I had the experience I mentioned above. And it's similar to the Ellipse 0 I could compare 1:1 with the stock profile. Which Zuperior did you use on your Makos? I had a similar problem with the length of the skates. Changing the tongue(the pro tongues are giving some mm more length; I don't know how but it's a fact) and using the heellock tying method solved it.

Let me guess: A lot of agility and you can turn on a dime. Less speed and you are missing some steel underneath your heel. And maybe your edges are not sharp enough. Acceleration could be slower. After trying an Ellipse 0 I just ordered an Ellipse XS profile for my TF7 in in 6.5R. And I changed the felt tongue for a pro tongue.

I tried the Ellipse 0 last winter and I lacked some agility. I'm just thinking about the profile I want to try next. I'm on 254mm steel. From your experience, can you remember the differences between the Quad 0 and Ellipse XS profiles?

Has anyone of you had the opportunity to compare an Ellipse profile with a Zuperior profile of the same size, originally designed for the blade length? For example an Ellipse XS vs. a Zuperior XS on a 254mm blade.

Or you can convert a hardshell inline Skate with a thick removable Liner into a ice skate. Like this: https://www.proskatersplace.com/shop/winter-sports/inline-ice-blades/freestyle-ice-blades/ Or a inline skate from Powerslide with this blade: https://www.skatepro.de/50-34380.htm?stockcode=120016/M&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIst2S_-SP8QIVg9V3Ch00AQT7EAUYAyABEgL4q_D_BwE Then you can modify the Liner for your needs, and exchange it easily.

True skates could be an option for you if your problem zones are in the upper areas of the boot because they are extremely heat-mouldable. And the tendon guard can be removed with one screw.

I did the opposite. Bought some pro tongues for my TF7. They gave me more room and a little bit more lenght. And they are way more comfortable than the TF7 felt tongues, the fit/lock also improved.

How du you know that the holder is flexing? Could it be that the difference(height, pitch and alignment of the blade) of the shift holder compared to the Tuuk/CCM holder is altering the balance point of the skate and this is leading to the feeling of flex?

You are right. But if the rest of the blade is sharpened properly, you could get an impression of how much of the nick has been removed.

Make the thumbnail test. If it's not sharp, than you have to do more passes.

Let us try a theoretical and analytic approach to compare the Zuperior and the Quad profile and let us use the information provided by Prosharp (all with a grain of salt): Comparing the Zuperior S and the Quad Zero (both developped for size 7-8 skates): Assuming that the dominat zone for most skating action is the middle(maybe 80%?) part oft the speed/agility area, the Zuperior S has a 12' radius with a bit of a 20' radius towards the heel with a little bit of a 6' radius towards the toes and the Quad Zero has a 11' radius with a bit of a 9' radius towards the toes and a little bit of a 13' radius towards the heel. If we put a longer profile on a shorter runner, the middle part of the profile becomes even more dominant. Who knows what happens if we put a shorter profile on a longer runner? And what happens to the pitch if we change the runner size? Or what happens to the profile if we change the pitch? Those numbers can explain the differences between the two profiles. And it could explain why a Zuperior XS feels more close to a Quad Zero. If the Ellipse XS feels more close to a Quad Zero, then it could be that the Ellipse profile is more like a Zuperior profile, or it could be located in between the Zuperior profile and the Quad profile. So to get further with our findings we should compare the three profiles(Zuperior, Quad and Ellipse), in the size developed for the runner size, on the ice.