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He said the shims resulted in a significant improvement in his skating. Previously due to the supination he could never get a full toe flick at the end of every stride due to the way his ankles would supinate at full extension which prevented him from "grabbing" the full inside edge of the steel.

Don't have the Flare pitched and it wont eat off all of the toe of the steel. The standard Pro Sharp profiles have pitch built into them natively which is what takes off so much of the toe.

This is awesome. Thank you for sharing.

I convinced him to let me do this shims instead of adding material to his insoles. 2mm in the front and 4mm in the rear. He is going to grab them this afternoon and give them a test.

@JR Boucicaut @Vet88 If he pronates, I would shim the outside of the skate and if he supinaes i would shim the inside of the skate? If he wants to add wedges to his insoles instead it would then be the opposite, right? He is leaning towards trying to add an orthotic wedge to the insoles. Then if he doesn't like it he can remove the wedge himself as opposed to a shim would would require him to bring the skates back to me since he doesn't have the tools or knowledge to remove the shim himself.

One of the guys I skate with has the new one. I very much prefer the older model. The new one requires hand tools to do adjustments and all of the motor components are in the top portion instead of safely living within the housing. I understand that some compromise had to be made to shed weight but I feel like this new model is not as professional as the previous generation.

I think the F series replaced the X series. https://blackstonesport.com/machines/f-series-portables

For pronation, yes, I have never dealt with supination though.

Would I shim both the front and rear of the inside holders on each skate? Would it be better to just add foam to his insoles instead of shimming the holder?

He said he usually does wear them, just this pair of shoes he was wearing is a very low profile and the footbed is built into the shoe so he couldn't use the orthotics in them due to lack of volume. Now that I have seen the orthotics he uses I entirely understand.

I got the images of his orthotics. See below.

I offered to shim the skate for him but I am concerned that his supination is not only at the heel but his forefoot as well. The entire outside portions of his shoes showed significant wear so the supination seems significant. Since I don't deal in custom orthotics and that is outside of my scope I think it might make sense for him to visit with a professional. He asked me for a recommendation but I don't know anyone who specifically deals with orthotics that is also familiar with hockey or ice skating. I think his best bet would be to see a highly recommended physician and bring his hockey skates and insoles. Maybe they can adjust his current insoles with wedges in strategic places.

Player recently ordered a pair of TRUE customs skates. As I was doing his bake and fitting I noticed the soles of his shoes show an extreme degree of supination. He has custom orthotics but apparently doesn't use them in this pair of shoes which is why the heel is worn so badly. He estimated that the inside of the lift of his custom orthotics is about 3/4mm which is significant. I asked him if he has ever had any issues with any of his hockey skates? He says he ever had any issues or modifications done to his previous skates. High level player who played pro in North America and Europe and just recently stopped playing professionally and is now coaching. I have had to shim players who pronated but never someone who supinated. In fact, I think this is one of maybe 2/3 people I have ever dealt with who supinated significantly. Is supination in hockey skates as big of a problem as pronation? Should I even bother shimming the skates for him? He is going to bring in his orthotics for me to take a look at so that might give me a better understanding of how bad his supination is. Just standing behind him you can clearly see it though so I am surprised in all of these years playing professionally none of his skating coaches or anyone else noticed this. Maybe he doesn't supinate in hockey skates since the boot is so stiff?

It's rarely a problem to go with an oversized holder. I have seen 280 holders mounted on size 6 skates.

Anyone ever seen these?

Probably should start a new thread specifically for the Pulse steel.

A local store purchased around 20k worth of STEP for the LS Edge holders. I totally understand STEP is good quality but that just seems like a stupid investment.

I have a buddy who works at a high-end suit store and he said 90% of new customers that buy dress shoes realize their whole life they have been wearing the wrong size sneakers and such. It's not until they come into his store to buy an expensive pair of dress shoes and are properly fitted that they realize the whole time they should have been in a significantly smaller shoe.

That's interesting. Bauer must have updated that recently. I know Bauer.com they used to list the steel as coming with the Power profile. I had actually ordered a pair using my Bauer University discount and the ones that shipped did in fact have a Quad0. I verified this on the ProSharp when they arrived.

The P92 rocker is pretty flat. The only thing I can think of that would be flatter is a PM9. You should probably start looking at pro stock sticks.

Yeah. Something here doesn't make sense. 😕

More blade on the ice? You mean less of a rocker in the blade?

The P90TM and P88 are nothing like each other. Look at the pics. Also, the P92 is longer of a blade than the P88. The P90TM is a mix between the P28 and the P92, with a little more of a toe kink.

What we don't need is 6-8 price points per brand within a specific product group. I think the trend should be fewer stick price point options and retiring some of the older patterns or making them only available for special orders. The P88 and PM9 are both curves that rarely sell and Bauer seems to be slowly killing them off.

Sounds like the seller used them and then wanted to sell them but keep the holders/steel, and maybe an aftermarket tongue, so they just swapped whatever parts they had laying around in a bin. lol