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    13 minutes ago, stick9 said:

    Not to be Danny Downer here but I think we all would agree that its not the stick scoring the goals, it's the player. 

    I disagree actually. He made the switch around the same time his scoring drought ended last year. He looks like he's excited to shoot the puck again, as though he wants to see what happens every time he lets one go now. I didn't see that spark in him in the stretch before his switch. Confidence in your gear is a thing for pros too; like the Hot Hand Theory that was written off as a fallacy that turned out to hold up after a closer look at the data.

    I'm not saying this as a Geppetto fanboy. While I have to admit that the Praux value offer is hard to resist (especially in the current economy), I'm quite critical of Geppetty overall. Makes me wonder what builds some of these pros have been using. Having said that, it's a huge accomplishment for Geppetty to go in there and dethrone the major players in the industry to supply one of the game's all-time greats in what will probably go down as the most salient chapter of his career.

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    8 hours ago, mojo122 said:

    Granted the Hyperlite 2 skate only had a faint trace of red on the tongue but this skate has no red, which was always a Vapor trademark.  Lower models have some red still.

    Not always. The best Vapors of all-time, 8 and 10, had no red whatsoever. Their second tier models (4 and 6) did, but it wasn’t until XX that the Vapor stain was first seen.

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    9 hours ago, MyBoxersSayJoe said:

    Ah, yes!  Forgot the name but remember it had "Fly" in it.  They had the crossbar in the holder for torsional rigidity.

    The first version was an awesome skate.

    It’s clear Bauer’s been giving nods to their Mission IP lately: the Amp Fly Weight stripe on Vapor X1’s (first gen.), the Drive Shaft bar on the Power Fly holder, and the flex notch (though not a Mission invention) in the Supreme Mach facing.

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    4 hours ago, StinkyPinky said:

    Generally : Yes, relative to Alberta.

    Specifically : You tell me, just my experience and small knowledge of ice. Maybe somewhere in Eastern Europe or Nordics has incredibly dry air, soft water, sub -20 temps consistently, and dedicated hockey barns (not mixed use) ?

    Where we skate is a dedicated rink. The ice quality I’ve experienced in the CPH area has been very mixed, similar to what I experienced growing up in Wisconsin. I skate with some Canadians (one from Red Deer I’m pretty sure), but none of them have mentioned the ice quality. 

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    5 hours ago, StinkyPinky said:

    Agree. Once you feel decent in a skate/runner combo, then get your reps in. What makes you faster is training!

    Personally grew up using P77 or P88 mid-curves, but migrated to P28. For me it's really easy to switch back to P77 or P88, especially if I play defense I sometimes prefer them. 

    I keep rocking a 10' profile, and found the Pulse Ti that came stock on my Hyperlites REALLY decent (Euro stock came with runners). Currently on JRZ MultiFit 10' radius, 20mm hollow. For me, the sharpness and hollow is of utmost importance. On the soft ice in Europe, I prefer more like 3/4" after 1-2 skates (not fully sharp). Cold, hard, dry ice in Alberta I go for 5/8" and full sharp is fine.

    All this being said I'm waiting on some runners with an Elite EL4-2 Quad profile to test out this summer 😁

    Hang on, all ice in Europe is soft?

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    On 3/17/2025 at 4:40 PM, 6sty18 said:

    Hi all,

    I know similar posts have been made many times but hours of reading I couldn't quite find what I'm experiencing, and hoping for some insight.  I recently went to a new skate and my edges feel drastically different.  The way I would describe it is going less shallow in sharpness, i.e. going from 1/2" to 5/8" in hollow.  I can dig in my edges just fine but it feels like it takes a lot more effort into getting the edge to bite.  I know it's preference but I've always liked the feeling of having a lot of bite.

    Background
    Fairly good skater (defense).  Comfortable on all my edges.  My old skates were Hyperlite 1s, 7.5 fit 2, 272mm holder.  My new skates are Hyperlite 2s, 7.5 fit 3, 272mm holder.  The fit 2s were small and punched out a ton. EE/Fit 3 is my usual size.

    I've had a lot of skates over the years but never experienced this with new skates.  I took my old runners (so same profile, 1/2" radius) onto my new skates to make the transition seamless as possible.  However.. my edges feel completely different.  With my old skates, even in a neutral position I could go on my edges fairly easily with minimal movement.  With these new skates, it feels like my foot is 'shaving ice' A LOT more. 

    I'm tempted to try 7/16ths to see if it feels more similar to my old skates, but I don't want to change it up if it's not necessary.  I'm still stumped on why these skates feel so different.  Could a new stiff boot and holder really make this kind of difference? I've visually inspected the holder and skates and nothing seems misaligned.  I compared it to my old skates and they look fine.

    Anyone else experience this before?

    Cheers guys

    If you still have the old skates, try them with a series A/B tests (in no particular order)...

    • new boot on one foot, old boot on the other
    • swap which foot has the new boot and which has the old
    • old boots on both feet
    • new boots on both feet

    Make sure it's the same steel you're always skating on, to focus on the differences between everything else. Just try and focus on your feet and your edges and what might be causing a disconnect there.

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    Just now, Sniper9 said:

    Don't the low to mid tier lines still use D and E?

    Maybe. I don’t look at those. The farthest down I’ve looked was at Vapor X4, and there you have the three options. There’s some argument for looking somewhere below the top of the line for replacing X:60s, but I wouldn’t seriously recommend anyone that’s that used to a boot of X:60’s calibre to go low end.

    From just checking X3, it looks like that might not be offered in Fit 1, but our LHS offers them in Fit 2 or Fit 3. I guess if you call Fit 2 a D, you could say D exists, but it doesn’t translate well back to when Bauer labeled their skates D and EE.

     

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    15 minutes ago, bthompson1286 said:

    shouldn't a bauer 9D x:60 fit the same as a current bauer boot 9d?

    No. In fact there is no current Bauer 9D. 

    Back when there was 9D it was also a lie because the width of the foot last each line was built on was different. When the 3 Fit System came in Bauer started having the updated version of the different fits available in your preference of Vapor or Supreme. Bauer was wishy-washy on the language about Fit 1 being close to a Vapor D, Fit 2 Supreme, and Fit 3 Nexus, with the updates to those fits coming from their 3D scan data. If you search MSH there are similar stories to yours where a happy Vapor D wearer wasn’t able to find the same degree of fit from their size or even a size down in Fit 1. The new toe cap can push people down half a size as well, just like the switch in the forefoot shape from the straight sidewalled TechMesh boot to the curved TrueLasted (or whatever it was called) CURV boot did for some.

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    21 hours ago, nisselrm said:

    Order a classic/custom graf?

     

    after my disastrous experience with true it may be my next move.

    You could get Graf to make a nice Vapor replicant if they still have the materials:

    Details:

    1. The tongue is crucial to classic Vapor flex. I'm not sure what they offer that would be closest. Maybe their updated Flex-insert panel tongue that's standard on Ultra 9000, but the last time I saw G75s in a shop with those tongues they didn't have the lace bite protector's stiffness in the upper half that Vapors have had since the Vapor 10 (Vapor 8 tongue was closer to a Supreme tongue flex profile).

    2. You would maybe want to ask that they don't reinforce the collar. A lot of Graf skates have an extra stiffener that wraps the top eyelets and the collar, forcing the top of the boot to flare. That's not the case with traditional Vapors.

    3. They even used to offer a fully composite outsole, rather than their Texalite outsole. I had G35X with that outsole, and while it was stiff enough, it turned out to be rather disappointing on closer inspection. It was mostly plastic with a carbon weave injection printed fabric to make it look fancier.

    4. Depending on which generation of Vapors is your favorite (mine's Vapor 10), you may want to ask for reduced vamping in the first 3-4 eyelets.

    Hell, writing this out is getting me tempted 😛🤑

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    14 hours ago, bthompson1286 said:

    what happened with your trues?  I have heard the same thing.  From what I read, trues are not sized correctly at all to be a custom skate

    True's fit was large on the original TF line. That was corrected on all retail lines since then. If their toe cap were as anatomical as Bauer's current toe cap, they'd be closer to 1:1 fit. Right now I fit True 9.5 like a Bauer 9. I wish I could drop to True 9 because the boot fits sloppy compared to my 9.5D Vapors.

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    16 minutes ago, VegasHockey said:

    Brands are running out of ideas for cosmetic design. There is only so much you can do to a hockey skate to make it look unique without adding too much weight or providing a diminishing value. Even brands like TRUE are going to start removing the "jewel" from most of their skates moving forward. I think a graphics/color package is really the only thing they can do to "spice" things up and with CCM going down the road of "retro" for skates, and Bauer doing itfor sticks, I would imagine they are now looking to do the same for skates. 

    But what about the PE acquisition? Can you share some links to that? I tried searching but nothing comes up. I can only find articles on CCM’s sale last year.

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    These refreshes keep enshittifying the cosmetics of iconic skates. 652, Air Accel (not “Excel” like @justdohockey posted last week) Elite, Vapor 10. They just look awful compared to the originals and today’s skates. Any other available option would look better.

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    14 hours ago, bthompson1286 said:

    I'm a size 9D.  

    The APX and the 1X didn't feel as close to my foot as the x:60.  I may need to try again.  Also the sizing seemed different as well.  I'm a 9D in X:60 but the 9D in the APX felt bigger.

    I believe the big difference for a lot of people in the jump from TechMesh to CURV Vapors was the forefoot having more of a curved shape…I think they called it TrueLasted or something.

    But damnit I wish you had said something about running dry months ago. Someone on Kleinanzeigen (German classifieds) sold three or four pairs of barely used if not new 9D TechMesh Vapors a few months ago. They had X7.0, X90, a couple other skins. I was eyeing them with envy because I’m a 9.5D!

    In the new Fit System I’m a 9-Fit 1, because of the new toe cap. I’ve only tried them on though, haven’t gone for skate in any Vapors newer than X100 (APX2 gen.).

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    It might help if you share more info about what didn't work for you in the fit change between the TechMesh and CURV builds. It also sounds like you haven't tried the new 3 Fit System. If I recall correctly, that started with the second season of the 2X.

    Also, what size do you wear in X:60s and how long does a pair tend to last you?

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    35 minutes ago, ggmunsen said:

    Ahhh I didn't realize it had been that long. Can you confirm it is a custom made from Pro Stock Sticks? 

    There's been a lot of chatter that it's PSHS, but I can't point to a definitive source pinpointing it.

    Someone probably has a clearer view, but the best UFO shot I can find is this one: https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2195387491/photo/washington-capitals-v-edmonton-oilers.jpg?s=2048x2048&w=gi&k=20&c=YeRRoLqRuaBP92F2CD5uJ5ko8CPBBAbJSwAGRXG6FiI=

    It's a bit blurred, but I think that's the "PRO" circle logo at the end of the "PRO STOCK. INTENDED FOR OVIE USE ONLY." And that text alone is enough to implicate Geppetto.

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