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5 hours ago, Westside said:I was trying to come up with a clever, click baity title, but just went with the obvious to the questions I’m about to ask. After taking a break from playing after high school/college, I got back into hockey wearing Bauer skates; the last of which being 2017 X900s which I enjoyed. When the True TF9 was released in 2020 I tried out a pair for roller and then subsequently ice. Those skates were like a revelation to my feet. I don’t have abnormally shaped feet apart from my left foot being 1/8-1/4 longer than my left. Still, how well the skates wrapped my foot, how connected to the ice I felt, and how much my outside edge retention improved I became a true True convert and believer.
I used the TF9s year-round since getting them until one of the heels cracked. I then upgraded to a pair of Cat Pros which I’ve been using for the last couple of months. While I have no need or reason to get another pair of skates, I got a deal I couldn’t pass up on CCM FT6 Pros and after seeing initial highlights on the skates, I was really interested to try them out. Since I have experienced cracked carbon with True skates, I was contemplating switching to something more durable.
FT6 Pros arrived, and while they already come with the ‘game ready fit’ that is supposed to wrap the facing of the skate around your foot better, I baked them the same way I do my Trues with how I apply pressure to the facing and how I wrap the ankle area to create a tighter wrap around my entire foot. Skates fit like a glove and were really comfortable in the house. Toes brush the cap, no heel lift, can’t wiggle my foot in the boot, just pass the pencil test, and everything fits the way it should.
So here’s where the issues start to arrise. I take them out for their inaugural skate using the same Super Feet I use in Trues and the same Step Blacksteel I use on the Trues (they have XS holders mounted). Getting onto the ice, my ankles feel wobbly as hell as if I didn’t lace the skates! With Trues, I barely have to tighten them because of how well they wrap my foot and can drop 1-2 eyelets and still keep them loose just fine. I didn’t leave the FT6s loose, but didn’t crank them either. So I get off the ice, and start to crank the laces pretty hard bottom to top to ensure the boot is pretty damn snug. They felt *better*, but no where near as good as the Trues.
Then there was issues with the steel. I’ve been using primarily 9/16, but sometimes 5/8, for the last 6-7 years at this point. Never had an issue with bite regardless if I was on Bauers or Trues. I felt like I had zero bite on the FT6s. I also didn’t feel like I could get out over my outside edges in the way I’ve come to get used to with Trues.
My current plan is to rebake the skates and try to tighten the wrap more (if it’s even possible) and maybe try getting a 1/2 sharpen on a pair of steel to see if that fixes the bite issue.
TLDR; I’m just wondering, has anyone else skated in True and then moved onto another skate? Did you find a learning curve to get used to it? Any suggestions on what might help any of the above issues? It’s been a few years since I’ve skated in anything other than True, but I used to not have any problems moving from one skate to the next whenever I wanted. It’d be a bummer if I’m totally ruined by skating in True skates. Hah!
Well, Dave Cruikshank says D’cosi should be ready for release next year, so there looks to be some more direct competition with True on the hazy horizon.
There are others here more familiar with all the latest boots, but my impression is True is cut lower so they encourage wrapping the upper cuff close to provide the stability other brands achieve by making the boots taller. But when the boots are taller the degree to which they would impinge on ankle ROM goes up too, so they pad like mad around the malleoli (protruding parts of the ankle) and then thin out, carving out a funnel of space for ankle ROM to compensate. Older boots used to crease/collapse so as to overcome the funnel, but the current demand from many players is this strange combo of committing to the wrap but not really.
I think the next five to ten years could change all of that, to a greater degree than even 703, Vapor 8, one90, or SVH boots did at points over the last 30 years.
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Looks like CCM P19: P92 with the curve and loft toned down a bit.
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4 hours ago, VegasHockey said:Use one of these. They weigh a ton.
https://www.hockeymonkey.com/blue-sports-accessories-adjustable-composite-end-plug.html
That's an interesting idea. Forgot about those.
I'd still be interested in what these weightier plugs from Bauer and potentially other stick manufacturers are like, just for comprehensiveness.
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On another note, is it possible to find the extension plugs with foam filling?
Adding 50g of mass at the end of my HyperLite makes it play much better for me. I did it with a wood plug that worked out perfectly, but it’s opened up my curiosity about what’s out there.
Edit: I have a retail 4” Vapor end plug that with a void all the way through. It weighs 22g.
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If I remember it, Holmes says it was his custom pattern with Sher-Wood; Sakic says his was a weekend where they flew the big name players in and had them make their own patterns for fun, and he made that one.
I could see Sakic thinking he made something they used, when in reality it came from somewhere else. Holmes would have that insider angle but looking at the legal situation surrounding his transition over to Warrior, it might be worth seasoning his statements with an appropriate amount of skepticism.
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9 hours ago, Neo5370 said:Super interesting interview with one of the creators. This guys channel is pretty awesome too. He does quick and to the point reviews of old shafts and sticks. From what I can tell he's a former pro and he has seemingly an encyclopedic knowledge and a HUGE collection.
Good listen. Interesting Holmes takes credit for creating the Sakic pattern. Sakic says he made it.
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2 hours ago, MyBoxersSayJoe said:The Flyweights...Powerfly--Flyweight--Powerfly. Could be on to something here.
More emphasis on the “weight” than the “fly” in Mission’s Drive Shaft holder. Bauer already plundered the Flyweight look with the Vapor 1X.
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P28's a lie 5.5 just like the E6 it evolved from. The shaved toe makes it easier to lose pucks there.
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If you go to https://grafhockey.com/downloads and click on Graf Hockey Workbook 2020/21, page 4 has a teaser on custom orders. (Google Translate converted the German...)
Quotehttps://grafhockey.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/GRAF_HOCKEY_WB_202021_low.pdf
FIT COMES FIRST SPECIAL ORDER
That's our goal because with better skates you can accelerate faster, brake harder, turn tighter and train longer. A GRAF extra production is worthwhile for players who want a custom-fit ice skate or who have problems with ice skates from the trade.
These skates are manufactured and processed exclusively in Switzerland.Some of our options:
ONLY BOOTS, ALTERED BLADES
SPECIAL WIDTH, SKATES ACCORDING
TO TRACES, HEAT MOLDING
EXTRA-STIFF/SOFT, SPECIAL TONGUES, MATERIAL ADDITION/ CHANGING
REACTIVATION OF OUTDATED MODELS, SOLE PARTS OF OTHER MODELS
DIFFERENT SIZES L/R, HEEL PADDING AND MANY MORE
Many professionals count on the quality of GRAF custom-made products,
improve your performance too!
Ask your GRAF dealer or send us an email to support@grafskates.chDon't know if that's still current or a forgotten link or what, considering the date on the catalog.
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19 minutes ago, start_today said:Wasn’t the e36 just a p88 clone with a bunch of fancy marketing jargon to convince people it was something new and exciting?
Not quite. Scott Bjugstad took credit for making it. It’s basically a P92 curve with a touch of toe curve. The face is PM9 with a shaved mid-toe rocker.
It’s a nice curve. I just wish its toe pocket were bigger than its heel pocket. It shoots out so much already on its heel curve that it can get in the way.
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4 hours ago, Scotty said:Preface: I'm a lifelong PM9 user and working on switching to something with slightly more curve, so I've tried PRO's Panarin/1910, Barkov/1616, and now the Backstrom/019. I really enjoy the dead straight section with essentially no loft on the first portion of the Barkov, but the mid-toe curve and slight twist to initiate the degree of loft has made for what feels like a smaller sweet spot to shoot from. I'm used to shooting off the mid-toe portion of the blade, but there's been a learning curve. Given the smaller amount of loft than the P92 you're used to, that smaller shooting pocket and heavy rocker on the bottom may be giving you issues. Whereas the P92 is a consistent transition both in terms of curve and degree of loft, the Barkov almost has a distinct spot where the blade bends in comparison.
I would love a PM9 blade face with Barkov's curve. I'm tempted by the Barkov. It might be close enough to perfect for me.
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On 5/18/2023 at 5:51 PM, VegasHockey said:What's funny is when I first saw the FT6P all the rep talked about was the addition of the facing allowing more forward flex and wrap on the foot. He was super excited about it.
Some feedback:
The addition of the eyelet facings provide a nice amount of forward flex and foot wrap. I don't know how they measure the stiffness index specifically, but the skate feel the same as the FT4P and does not feel as stiff as the AS5P. This leads me to believe the stiffness index is actually 195 and not 215. The new modifications to the boot make it feel like V2 of the 100K if you were testing it blindfolded.
Small additions, like the asymmetrical neck of the boot and revised foams, are enjoyable.
The new boot last is interesting. In current retail models, I have always fit a regular boot, but it was a tight fit. In the FT6P I had to go with a tapered fit as the boot is very much cut like a V. The regular and wide boot feels huge on my feet with too much depth and width. This might be helpful for those with wider or more voluminous feet.
Also, the added weight is noticeable if you are coming from a FT1/FT2/FT4P. I assume the changes to the revised shell and padding are responsible for the increased weight. It was immediately noticeable when I first got on the ice, but after a few skates I was able to adjust.
Disclaimer: I have the pre-release model, so it is very possible that changes could have been made in the retail production model.
How does the facing allow more forward flex and wrap?
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I wonder if the flatter frontal region above the forehead has a significant impact on the score. There’s often a raised ridge there. It would be interesting to alter that on a few helmets and keep their internal padding the same and see if their Hockey STAR score goes up.
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12 hours ago, VegasHockey said:I imagine manufacturers will eventually limit how much pro stock product and what specific items they will allow to be sold by teams to 3rd party resellers.
How would that work from a legal perspective?
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1 hour ago, Sniper9 said:I don't know why people even pay mrsp on a top tier stick
Signaling / because they can.
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1 hour ago, start_today said:That’s what kinda confuses me about his selection, that he is choosing to produce and stock. There are 69 p28 variants available to ship right now that are more or less the exact same, but not a basic 88 clone. I would love to just hand this guy some of my money, and he’s making it inconvenient.
And I stubbornly don’t want to do a custom order because it costs slightly more and takes more time, but I whine about it for 2 months and my stick would have been here by now.
On the other hand, I kinda love that he is a mad scientist just doing things his way and is like “screw your basic needs, you can buy this curve that’s a p28 mixed with a p28 with a 5.6 lie, or you can go somewhere else.”
You’re giving him too much credit. He doesn’t know the curves that well. Just watch his McDavid curve video for example. He’s surprised the blade shoots so well, but it’s because he can’t see it has a slight toe curve to it, which suits his mechanics better than a P92. He’s can’t even see what he’s looking at. A lot of his blade categorizations are quite off the mark. I’d still be interested if it weren’t doubtful what he’s actually got. He modifies curves away from what the original, but doesn’t always clarify the details.
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2 hours ago, Sniper9 said:Maybe, but byonics multi fit came out last year or even the year before. And even before that byonic and baldetech still offered edge steel when tydan and step were told to stop. So there must be something with bladetech and byonics design that worked around the patent.
Maybe they didn't even definitively work around the patent, but at least if they made an effort it could have made it a battle, which can get costly. As long as the potential cost of litigation is seen as potentially greater than the benefit of reducing competition, it can deter the conflict from becoming a case. If the defendant didn't even try to make the geometry different, there's no chance the legal black box probably contains a loss for them. If they did try, it could go either way, and the complainant could be lose and be out a lot of money for something that's not a big threat to their revenue at the end of the day.
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13 hours ago, Sprungdownunder said:They way I took it is his designing a true one piece boot , the holder & boot being one piece.
I just interpreted him as saying they were not only working on making the boots more performant but the holders as well. He did mention Synergy's impact on sticks but I took that as him talking about the kind of pie-in-the-sky sea change scenario you put in a business plan, not to say the skates were going to fuse the holder into the boot. Not even Bauer went that far with nØD1N (even though a lot of people thought they did).
13 hours ago, metalDAN said:Haha yikes, I hope not! Are top-of-the-line clap skates even built like that?
From what I've seen, no. I think there's a lot of play in alignment, so speed skate blade assemblies allow for lots of adjustments. Last I saw it was metal chunks that bolt together and into the boot. MLX holders were supposed to allow for similar lateral adjustments, though from the pairs I've had, I don't really see that working. I don't think he'll give that idea up. Better to accept a slight weight penalty for optimum mechanical alignment. That's what I'd be anyway.
I was hoping we might be able to get a sneak peak by looking at what Grant's wearing, but he's still in HyperLites as of St. Cloud's last game. I've never seen him wear a pair of Trues.
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5 hours ago, x-axis said:I don't remember the model #. I was a kid. They had laces on the sides and were black and white with a wave pattern. GX something. Couldn't find them in a google search. I had those and flash tracks rollerblades from Toys R Us. Amazing times.
Like Juneau's gloves, just with laces instead of the velcro adjusted cuff?
The GX 26 looked like this, just with a lace cuff and fixed cuff roll.
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3 hours ago, x-axis said:Interesting. I was too young to remember. I could have sworn my Eastons did. I've just gotten interested in Nike hockey gear the last 6 years. Purchasing those Ignites made me utterly confused.
Which Eastons did you have? I’m fairly certain segmented fingers were universal at retail by 2001. Nike had them on their next generation Quest gloves.
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10 hours ago, x-axis said:I'd have to add the Nike Ignite hockey gloves without finger breaks.
The only gloves I can think of that had segmented fingers in 1999 are Mission Warp and Bauer Supreme. Ignite was just like 96% of the gloves on the market at the time.
Sherwood and Itech had semi-segmented fingers, but not quite the same idea as we’re used to in today’s gloves.
The first Easton guys to have segmented fingers (Kovalev, Zhitnik, and Morozov) didn’t have that mod until 2000 from what I can tell.
I’ve always thought Ignite were the best looking of Nike’s gloves. Their segmentation pattern was elegant and efficient. I’d happily snag a pair if the price were right. A lot of Nike stuff is just stupidly expensive.
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13 hours ago, VegasHockey said:Maybe his new skates are too stiff and inhibit forward flex. He also doesn't lace the top eyelet.
Also, looking at his KHL pictures, it seems he always used semi-small tongues.
He’s been in Bauer and skipping the top eyelet for as long as I’ve seen and he was already modding the tongue like this with UltraSonics so it seems unlikely he’s suddenly in a boot that’s too stiff. He knows Bauer well and as one of their most prominent wearers today I’m sure they’d adjust his specs if necessary.
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9 hours ago, nutters said:Incoming r/hockey posts of "should I cut my togues too if I want to skate like the pros?"
Silly but sadly probably true. Kaprizov’s history disproves the premise though. He skated just as powerfully, and elegantly for years in the KHL, with plenty of photo and video evidence on photo.khl.ru, GettyImages, and YouTube you can point them to (not that you want to spend your time on that necessarily). Reddit could have a bit that just posts that whenever someone asks.
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55 minutes ago, puckpilot said:You're right. The example I gave is very much a trifle. I was trying to be flippant about it because I found the CO's quote to be... irksom. It took the basic shape of Pascal's wager, using the safety of the kids as the infinite benefits. It seemed like a calculated answer to manipulate people emotionally in to using their product instead of using evidence.
Fully agree there. Makes me wonder just what kind of a dr. this guy is.
Who has moved from True to another brand of skates?
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True's not a niche skate anymore. And they have significant momentum.