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7 hours ago, Westside said:No clue. Don’t have a scale that would weigh something this light and it honestly never crossed my mind
😮 How do you even make your coffee then?
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1 hour ago, Tony9 said:I began using the Kucherov Bauer curve (pro stock Bauer 2NPROSE "Sync wrapped" from Hockey East team) about two yrs ago, my fave & sticking w it. I was using a P92 prior to that, but I finally prefered the slight shorter blade length + the toe shape of the P28/Kucherov (pulling the puck is so easy, shooting seems easier for myself). MyBauer states that the Kuch curve has slight less wedge, more upright than the normal P28. The video of Celebrini describing his curve (Zegras) is what got me over thinking the topic. P86 I assumed = Kucherov ...... the Zegras can be described as a P28 blade shape but a longer length, like the P92 ??
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https://x.com/geargeekhockey/status/1868011672885215396
thanks for the feedback.
Forgot about the P86 angle, that makes perfect sense. Kucherov was a P92 guy before switching, as was Fisher. There might be something to that variant (if Kuch is using the Fisher) for those that want a little less wedge. I hope to get my hands on a Kuch stick soon. I’m a big fan of the P28, but a slightly less lofted version would be nice.
How are you sourcing your Kucherov habit now? Are you going with MyBauer for all your sticks? I wish GePROtto would offer the Kucherov.
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On 1/14/2025 at 3:34 PM, Tony9 said:the Kucherov curve from Bauer .......is the same thing ???
Kucherov uses a very slight variation of a basic P28 (which varies at retail from company to company). I’ve read he uses the Fisher variant, perhaps the original P28, but I can’t confirm.
I wish someone would do a podcast with Fisher to talk to him about his gear. His blade is possibly his greatest contribution to the game, but he was also an early tester on CURV boots and who knows what else.
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Even from product pictures it's easy to see. I'm old enough to remember web images would load on the internet progressively: first very pixelated, then smoother and smoother, kind of like a thriller where the cops repeatedly ask the ITer to "enhance" 3 or 4x until the perp's face is revealed in crystal clear resolution. Gloves have devolved in the reverse of that: their geometries are composed of fewer and fewer polygons which makes for blockier builds.
There are two ways to notice it--look at the top end gloves of a line that's been around over that time and see how they shed layers of complexity from one generation to the next and also look at the lower tier gloves from 5 to 10 years ago. Today's top end gloves look like bottom end gloves from 10 years ago.
One example is Warrior's GX-archetypal glove--from MacDaddy/Dolomite, AK27, Luxe, QR1, QRL, QRE... they kept degrading.
Top end gloves feel ok in the shop, but it's thanks to a lot of fluff and tricks--super flimsy builds with stretch gussets. Good for them. We pay the price (probably roughly the same as old top end gloves after inflation) and the price they pay to produce them drops. They don't last as long, so we're forced to dip into the scum pond again in a bit for a product that's probably degraded again but the financial gouge is still going to be just about as deep as before.
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1 hour ago, pgeorgan said:I do believe there are advantages and disadvantages to different profiles. I think at this point it's inarguable. My point was simply that the so-called "standard" profiles aren't all that bad in the first place. It did take me a while to come to this conclus
I remember David Booth talking about how much he liked his Trues because they allowed him to perform the way he wanted on a single radius, after having tried everything to make his previous boots work for him. Sounds very similar to your experience, just in a different make.
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24 minutes ago, pgeorgan said:I was using a 5/8 fire so pretty close I think.
Like someone mentioned earlier in the thread, the Quads were a good teaching tool but I think I've outgrown them. They're good in their own right but all this marketing about how they're as agile or more than for example a 10' profile is just not true. And that's not unique to the Quads. I tried the "most agile" Elite SCS which was marketed as being more agile than a 10' - also untrue.
The way you put it, all of this reminds me of blade curves. Some will do the work for you, but it’s not as though you can’t shoot off the toe or do toe drags with a PM9, it just requires more mechanical work from the user rather than relying on the shortcut approach afforded by the tool. Programming has a cool term for similar neat-but-not-absolutely-necessary shortcuts: syntactic sugar. These complex geometries could be like mechanical sugar, making some much more comfortable performing feats that would otherwise be much too involved. For some, it’s the bees knees, for others it’s just meh. I’m kind of the same with curves. I used to be really dedicated to one in particular, but then I came to realize my golden stick was actually just balanced to my brain’s narrow tolerances. Now if a stick’s balanced right, the curve doesn’t matter all that much.
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On 12/28/2024 at 12:39 AM, Cavs019 said:I would look at ProStockHockey.com. 14 is an easy to find size and if you’re not too picky on color you can get something way nicer than 2024 retail junk.
It's downright depressing how far gloves have fallen in 10 years. From '95 - '05 gloves got so much better insanely fast. From '05 - '15 (roughly) they peaked. From then to now it's just ugly all around.
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6 hours ago, mojo122 said:Not wearing ones with the retail graphics makes me think he's trying to fly under the radar and hoping that nobody notices he's not in a CCM.
Could be. If that’s the case he thought ahead and went to black CCMs for a bit before the switch, trying to hide the swap under the cover of darkness. If he really cared he would have had the EQMs black out the Hyp2rlite stain at the top of the quarters too though.
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9 hours ago, JAY4114 said:What’s the actual lie of ccm’s p29? I was trying to line it up against some other brand and it seemed a lot lower. I tried it against a Ccm p28 and it seemed lower than that too. It seemed to be close to true’s lie 5 p92
It is a bit lower than P28. It’s more consistently rockered from heel to toe, which probably makes it difficult to get a good reading on. CCM also tended to measure their lies higher than other brands like Easton, which was kind of a standard for a while. Warrior was notoriously low in their measurements until they changed to match others.
Another example of CCM’s high lie measurement bias is P46. They had it at 5.5 or 6 while they labeled P28 as lie 5. I’m sure they had P28 at 5 because that was the industry norm at the time. Both curves were the same lie as their predecessor curves were though: P46 came from E4, with an Easton lie of 5 and P28 came from E6, with an Easton lie of 5.5.
Somehow Easton messed everyone up by calling P28 lie 5, possibly because they were listening too much to Bjugstad. He was apparently behind the push for P92-5 but it wasn’t 5 by the old E4 standard. Easton had more pressing issues at the time so worrying about lie measurement consistency could easily have been an oversight.
Long story short, P29 is lower than a lot of other patterns on the market these days. CCM has always just measured stuff on the high end of the lie scale.
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On 12/24/2024 at 12:20 AM, iceman8310 said:I've had the worst experience with the Trues recently. They didn’t fit, were too big, and didn’t feel as good as a previous pair of True Skates or VH Footwear skates I’ve had in the past. I’m back to square one, and nothing on the market seems to fit. I’m running out of options. The last thing I want to do is settle for something I'm unhappy with, and while I don’t want to hang up the skates for good, it’s starting to feel like that might be the only choice.
I’m not looking for responses like "True Skates worked for me," as that doesn’t really help me right now. Should I visit another store for a new scan and more measurements?
Any suggestions?
Do you still have your old VH or True boots?
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Interesting they’ve changed the eyelet pattern to Graf’s classic skip to the top. Makes sense for their concept.
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8 hours ago, Westside said:Wow. Interesting they’d replace the Cat line so quickly and before the Hzrdus line. New holders, new tornado design, back to a fully wrapped heel. Judging by the name, steel, and liner, I’d guess this is their mid-range option like the current 5x4
Makes sense. Catalyst is one gen older than Hzrdus.Edit: Duh. I see what you meant. They just updated Cat so you'd expect a HZRDUS update next, and then maybe a new line replacing Cats.
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12 hours ago, MyBoxersSayJoe said:I'm a Tackla guy. If my current pair ever falls apart (It took the last ones 20 years,) maybe I'll look into these.
Same. I have a pair of Air 9000s that are still holding on from the ‘90s. They’re beat up, but still amazing.
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True has some deal with Tackla, so their new pants have the classic Tackla fit. I’ve never had any wish for better than that. The fit, feel, function, and look are all great IMO.
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I think the pitch / balance point shift is what I like most about the Ellipse II. The back being a little longer than my 13’+1 feels good, but the change in balance point is the most freeing thing about both profiles.
I thought it was about achieving a similar pitch to VSi on 72-80 HiLo, but that’s actually a little less pitched than most hockey holders. Maybe it’s really about moving the center line of the blade to be where my push naturally is, which is probably somewhere close to the third wheel from the front.
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1 hour ago, pgeorgan said:@flip12 Out of morbid curiosity I got an SCS 1 standard/medium profile on Black Friday. I quite liked it. Not quite as agile as 10', but still agile and definitely more stable. Big upgrade from the Quads and solves the problem of the ultra flat back they
That sounds interesting. I may have had a quad on my first pair of MLX. The eBay seller I got them from didn’t know what the steel specs were, but I liked the feel. It was like a flat on the heel that fell into a ramp as you rolled forward.
I have Ellipse II on my Cat7s now. It feels better than what they came with, but I’m not bothered by the flatter back portion. Some say it feels longer than Quad II.
I’m more interested in seeing how long of a single radius I can roll with and at what balance point. I think balance point is the most effective variable for my skating. The shorter front on combo profiles and Ellipse don’t seem to be much of a feature for me.
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13 hours ago, pgeorgan said:I was on Mission's. Last pair was from circa 2001. Couldn't tell you which ones, but they had the plastic hooks on the outside for heel lock. I used to ratchet down the heel lock part and then skip every eyelet after except the top, which I made extra tight.
My Mission Proto Vs had a metal d-ring instead of the plastic loop. I think it was one generation before they went to the plastic loops. I don't think I used it. I just laced snug, but not overly tight, all the way up. The cut on those was like 90's Tacks on Ozempic. I think that was the basic idea behind the Proto line. By reducing the volume with lower vamping, it made for a nice snug fit, similar to Tacks with the ankle hinge flex, but more connected. The first two generations of Vapors were similar in that respect. The ankle creasing made for a boot with great forward flex while maintaining lateral stability.
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22 hours ago, pgeorgan said:Similar situation for me on rollerblades, actually. The only problem is those boots could actually flex!
One of the pleasant surprises of going from Quad to 10' was that I found I didn't need to tie my laces as tight. Having so much toe shaved down in the case of the Quad was forcing me to tie my laces tighter than what was optimal, for whatever reason.
The boot flex definitely has some effect on this equation, though I was stumped just when I thought I was getting it. I had some VSi's converted to ice, on VH/Step holders, thinking they'd be as amazing on ice as they were on their original 72/80 HIlo. They were not. They felt comfy, but pretty much as frustrating as any other ice hockey skate I've tried, with a few exceptions. I think that was the moment that I decided to actually start trying out profiles, which I had been thinking about doing for a long time.
My favorite boots do feature a similar degree of forward flex and lateral stability as the Proto Vs did though: Vapor 8, Vapor 10, Mega Air 90, 703, and MLX with the right tongue.
With the right boot, like the Vapor 10, even a profile on the opposite end of the spectrum feels quite nice. I can only imagine how Vapor 10 on my ideal profile would feel, once I find it.
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2 hours ago, pgeorgan said:I'm thinking of trying a 9.5/10.5 but am nervous I'll lose a lot of the agility I have with a 10'. Wondering what your opinion was of the two, since it appears you've tried them both. Or anyone else for that matter. Some other folks have said that it feels like a Quad 0.5, but that's 8-10-12-14, so not really sure how those could be at all similar. In my experience, the Quad 0.5 would just be another one of those "skates on rails" profiles, which I'm not going back to.
I've also heard good things about the Elite SCS 1. The SCS 1 in standard size is 6-17-13-4, which just trying to wrap my head around sounds pretty wild. They also don't tell you how much of each section is profiled to which radius.
I'm not the best to comment because I'm drifting toward the long end of the profile spectrum. I think the closer I get to what my skating mechanics were developed on, the more natural I feel on the ice. I really honed my skating for hours in my apartment building's parking lot on '96 or '97 Mission Proto Vs on a 4 x 72mm chassis. The more my blades mimic the pitch and flat radius of those rollerblades, the more natural I feel on the ice.
I get why some skaters would feel locked on rails in a 10' radius, but my mechanics seem to center around something closer to 20' +2. 13' and Ellipse II, both at +1 pitch, feel perfectly short and quick to me. 13' neutral felt a little rail like, but as soon as I had it redone with +1 pitch I never felt stuck on the ice again. It seems like the shorter front sections can mimic the effect of pitch if you don't actually want to mess with pitch.
My favorite ice setup so far has been Cobra's stock 11' (now I think they're doing 10') on what felt like at least +2, compared to the +1s I have at the moment.
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10 hours ago, Sniper9 said:Oh right this one loll. You're right
I love the Vapor 8 and 10 perforated steel though. I was skating on some again with the Vapor 10s I picked up. I was really enjoying the feel of those blades until one of the Tuuks cracked on both towers. I've only skated on LS perforated steel a couple of times. I don't really remember it being all that different from standard LS steel.
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Found a better shot of it:
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3 minutes ago, Sniper9 said:The tuuk perforated steel has a bunch of little triangles. This looks more like blade tech steel with the notches. The true shift steel has one notch in the back and these look just a couple more. Maybe for weight savings.
The original black set that debuted on the Vapor 8 did, but the LS2 perforated steel from the Vapor XX era had wide wedge perforations that lined up with the holes in the holder bridge as seen here on the best player ever deliberately excluded from the Hockey Hall of Shame:
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34 minutes ago, swede said:No, actually the Cats are one size up.. I’m a size 7 Fit3 in vapors, and the Cats are 7.5 Wide..
Fit3 and EE Bauers are longer than Fit1, Fit2 and D width Bauers.
my toes are jammed against the toecap, so they are not to long. Will be perfect lengthwise after baking, the question is, if they will widen enough to fit my forefoot after baking.
my only issue with the Bauers is that the toecap are to narrow and dig in between the first and second joint on my big toes. The Bauers are punched right behind the toecap, to accomodate bunions i have on my big toe joint.
I'm the same: 9.5 R in True, 9 Fit 1 in Vapor. Bauer's Birkenstockier toe cap makes the difference.
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Ha. I noticed that about CCM's P28, and Warrior's seems closer to that than Bauer. (TC4 was its own thing last I checked, they may have changed it.) I like CCM's sticks too, but the slightly more vanilla toe on the CCM and Warrior really appeal to me. Bauer's is a bit too augmented for my taste. Luckily, any P28 I've tried feels so nice compared to most curves that I don't have to look at it much when I'm using it.