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It works better for me with this link, (lopping off the options at the end of the url you posted @MrData) Was it you that did that blog post on the BC27? His verdict on it is pretty much contrary to the one in the blog: that you have blade contact with the puck at all times because of the rocker. He says you can easily lose contact with the puck due to the aggressive rocker. If I'm seeing the info on the BASE site correctly, it's the BM09, which has multiple lie options, that has the more rockered heel. He just switches around the comparison, saying BM09 is a clone of the Bauer PM9, and the BB09 is a clone of the Easton E4. According to the BASE curve comparison chart, it's listed the other way around: BM09 is supposed to be similar to the E4 and the BB09 is supposed to be similar to the other brands' versions of the (roughly) same curve. Thanks for posting the video, it has some nice comparisons between the curves.
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“Side by side so we can see the differences”? Still, your help deserves one of your patented trophies.
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Can you post pictures of those two patterns side by side so we can see the differences?
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Look great! Please do a review once you put them through their paces. I’m curious how that build stacks up against other skates you’ve worn in the last few years.
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Pretty sure Tacks are still a different fit from JetSpeed. It’s not that “this is the skate McD wears” but “this skate is the same (material) spec as McD’s,” which is a softer JetSpeed, equivalent to JetSpeed FT380’s but with a composite outsole instead of plastic. Did the other boots in the current JetSpeed line also fit your son differently? The construction differences between the FT1s’ and the previous top of the JetSpeed line may be to blame. Also, could his feet have changed sizes or volume ratios?
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What options does it give under ‘boot height?’ Pretty cool that you can specify the stiffness by zones. I don’t think IW is saying the 9080 is the same skate as McD wears, just the same material spec; different cut though. McD could wear 652 VakuTacks and still tear up the NHL. In junior he often had current model skates (by appearances at least) and he was still electric from his first game onward.
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What's hard to grasp is, if the other models are machine cut, I'm imagining they're following a digital rendering that is traced into the material to get the final piece (thinking specifically of a video of the original APX being machine cut, via laser I think), then what would prevent CCM/Bauer from dialing back the height somewhat? It's at the most extreme end of the boot, so I can't see how it would affect the interface of the other parts that need to go into the skate anymore than adding height would.
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It can, depending on how far under your body your return phase begins. If you land with your foot in the middle of your body (or even beyond the midpoint like Mogilny did) instead of around the shoulders you may find the close fit prevents you from achieving the outward ankle rotation (aversion) you’re used to. I had this problem in my MLXs, and while I haven’t fixed it completely, I have somewhat successfully addressed it; just need a heat gun to finish the job. With the boots’ high tolerance for multiple moldings you can spot heat where it stays too close and remold it with one of the two methods demonstrated by Cruikshank (roll that part of the boot out) or Van Horne (mold your required range of motion into the boots). Personally, I think the top of the boot is the biggest problem area for Van Horne’s hockey boots. The fantastic upside they provide from the second eyelet down is simply worth the rub. It takes a little “hacking” to address subtle fit issues, but that’s just a side effect of such a responsively thermoforming boot.
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That joke again 🙃 (@IPv6Freely)
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Agreed, 100%. That's why it's important to consider the lie's complete curvature from heel to toe. A lot of lie numbers simply make no sense. P28 is higher than P46 and BX27. Their lie numbers don't reflect that though. That's why I'd suggest BM12 in this case instead of P88.
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Bauer calls theirs a 6 but it lines up lower than lie 5 P92s.
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I just noticed today, TRUE also owns SVH's speed skate production now: http://true-speedskates.com/.
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Can you elaborate on the pros and cons? I’m especially curious about your perspective because you Said you also had your best skating experience in Grafs. Additionally, how would you say these stack up to other current top boots you’ve tried?
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I'm confused, who are you saying is arguing semantics, and why? I'm just skeptical that the P88 is significantly higher enough to qualify for the increase in lie he seems to be looking for. If he's on here and he has an address they can ship to, he can find the curve options on BASE's website in less than five minutes. Thanks for the correction. I never bother to remember what's a BC, BM, BX, or BS from them. I like their multiple lie options, though. I've been itching to try that and some of their other lie 4 options. It sucks having so few options on retail. How does it play compared to the P92 for you?
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But the P88’s a lot closer to the PM9 in lie. It’s lower than a TC2-5, for instance. That’s not the way the OP wants to go from what it sounds. Also, depending on how tuned in @Amazinmets73 is to the PM9 rocker, P88 could feel awkwardly flat at the toe on releasing both passes and shots. I think BC12 should play closer to PM9 in that aspect but not 100% sure.
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W03 is closer to the P92 or old Easton Sakic--quite deep compared to a PM9. @Larry54's suggestion to check out BASE might help @Amazinmets73. I'd just add, they also have the BC12 in lies 4, 5, and 6. It's the classic mild Easton Iginla curve, a mid that's not very deep or open.
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Right on. I got the idea to mold the outward ankle flexion I wanted into my MLX from this Van Horne video on molding short track boots (last part of the video specifically):
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Is that the outside/lateral or inside/medial ankle? If True fixes this part of their skate recipe, they’ll be so close to perfection!
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Is it the inside, outside or both that dig in? I was frustrated with the digging on the outside ankle on my MLX and did a rebake where I made sure to flex my ankle as I would at the deepest point of a push. It helped quite a bit.
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Right: about the same height as Grafs but much more tapered to the ankle compared to Graf’s flared fit. I think that’s why some players are still skipping the top eyelet in their Trues.
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Are you using the Mako/VH thin Powerfoot inserts?
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Just not at the same time I hope. Edit: @shoot_the_goalie it also reminds me of Apple discussions I've encountered. Emotions and brands are a funny mix.
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Feds in VH! (with those 'unsightly' dimpled holders... ...I've always been rather fond of dimples, but to each their own.)
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It's odd True, and previously VH, get beat up for excess glue, imperfect material application, etc. Every time I'm in a shop checking out skates, I see the same issues with mass produced skates. I've never had the chance to do side-by-side so it could be Van Horne skates are worse in those areas, but the big brands are by no means perfect. I feel the same. I haven't had the chance to skate in anything after MLX, but even from that experience, I can see the benefit of Van Horne's approach. I agree with those that see issues to be addressed, and I see them slowly getting worked on. Eventually, I could see a successful stock line or two from True. The shells are just so incredibly moldable that even a stock boot, like the MLX, can provide a near custom fit to a wide range of feet. It might take a good deal of trial and error to dial them in--the curse of such great moldability is there are so many tunable areas that it can take more effort to address all of them and they may require different DIY methods to do so--but the upside of an incredibly responsive and comfortable skate could be worth it.
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What about the Iginla? They already offer that in three lies: 4, 5, and 6.
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