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On 12/19/2017 at 10:35 PM, stick9 said:Couldn't one make the argument that people coming over to True from the "big brands" probably weren't in a custom skate? Couldn't one further argue, maybe those people were never in a boot that fit them properly in the first place? Filter through this board and you will see literally hundreds of posts asking for help with skate fittings.
My point, its not really apples to apples. Think about the difference between a custom tailored suit and something you'd buy off the rack. Even at the same price point that custom tailored suit will always fit better because it's made specifically for you.
I just find the whole comparison thing a bit disingenuous. For the most part, people are comparing retail boots to something that was built specificity for them.
Not really applicable in this case: I was thinking specifically of Silfverberg and Haula as Bauer skaters who've converted to True and continue to skip the top eyelet, as well as Chara and Kalinin who used to lace all the way up and now skip the top eyelets in their Trues.
That is apples to apples: the same skate wearers in different skates; probably almost as custom tailored in their pre-True days.
The tailoring analogy is useful. It's like Armani: you shrink the suit to the frame and some trimming is involved to compensate for the lost volume. In this case, the tailor is so good that I think True could trim the boots from the top a bit. To continue the analogy, unless it's for style, why skip the top eyelets rather than tailor the skate to have just the amount of support necessary? It'd be like getting measured for a custom suit only to find that it comes with a standard extra length leg in a highly cut resistant fabric. It's an element of prêt-à-porter on a custom outfit which doesn't cohere in my mind.
Even though they're lower cut, the overall amount or degree of support in True skates seems to correspond roughly to that of other skates, which makes sense from a business standpoint, but stops short of realizing the true potential of the product. That was the extent of my "comparison" to other skates--not really a comparison as it treats both True and non-True skates as black boxes and simply looks at how they're worn.
To be clear, I think True makes the best skates available, and still would in my mind if they did simply offer a standard boot to go up against what other brands offer. I just think there are a few areas where they can further improve an already spectacular skate.
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On 12/18/2017 at 8:47 PM, Sniper9 said:Personally, I don't think you can compare the VH skates to any of the big brands out there in terms of fit etc...
Neither do I.
Skaters in True that have come over from Bauer and skipped eyelets in Bauer still skip eyelets in True boots. Some skip eyelets in True boots where they didn't in previous skates. I think that's a credit to True, achieving a sufficiently supportive fit without making the boots as high as other brands, yet I think it also shows there's room for an even more aggressive cut to the top of the skate.
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21 hours ago, Zac911 said:Comfort is one thing; however, there is a little more to it than that. There are some biomechanics at play here. Many skates put you in a quad dominant position which creates many challenges. :)
Can you elaborate on the difference of positioning between True and quad-dominant skates?
My favorite skates have been Graf 703's which are cut about the same height as the MLX I have, but with more forward pitch and a very flared ankle for maximum range of motion. I've been wondering if Van Horne's hockey boots are too geared toward snagging Bauer and CCM skaters than Graf lovers like myself.
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17 hours ago, IPv6Freely said:Cool if your head shape happens to fit that helmet!
It would be interesting to compare the same helmet but with different padding packages.
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8 hours ago, IPv6Freely said:Sort of but not really. Making tweaks just to score a higher rating without being any safer doesn’t mean much.
How are they not safer if they score better at damping impact forces?
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2 hours ago, Jason said:By the looks of mine with the peeling graphics, it kind of looks like the silver honeycomb like pattern is the base underneath the graphics. If you do manage to do it, please take a picture and post it here. I saw a pair of Tacks that had the graphics removed and they looked awesome. I think it is stupid to screen on graphics when they are just going to peel and look terrible in a few months.
Definitely. But CCM took care of that by making sure the graphics they screen on look terrible already before the skates make their debut.
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19 hours ago, Hills said:New skates! I think they are hideous but if they are comfortable they will be worth it.
I think they look great! Blue Moon was my favorite ice cream as a kid :P
I was critical of the look of the True boot, but it's really grown on me. It features the custom colors so much better than the VH version did. To my taste anyway 😜
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6 hours ago, Sid said:Sorry if this has been touched upon but I could not find anything within the thread. Can anyone offer input into the performance difference between the two piece and the one piece. Is it something that noticeable I am thinking about getting a pair of true skates.
By one-piece skate do you mean the goalie skates with an integrated holder or the monocoque boot versus traditional boots with quarter panels glued and stapled to a separate sole?
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On 10/29/2017 at 4:23 PM, BureKovy said:Its the same length and rocker, the curve is more of a x28 with more toe, no heel kink and a taller blade at the first section. I like it way better than a bc27.
Looks like he's onto a pretty standard X28 this year after using the P92 last year.
What you describe and what I've seen of his Kovalevish patterns, they remind me of the Leino I have: pretty much a Kovalev crossed with X28: similar rocker as the Kovalev has, but with the crest closer to the toe than the heel; curve wise it's like a kinked X28: more open and more mid-toe on its second curve than the Kovalevs I have. Both Kovalev's straighter-toe patterns and later major toe kink patterns have a longer second lie portion, where pretty much the last 1/2 - 2/3 of the blade are higher lie than the heel. The Base Kovalev is even higher in the secondary rocker area, I'm guessing to work with the curve meeting the puck further forward from the shaft's neutral line.
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2 minutes ago, malcb33 said:and of course myself too so that's +5 to start but I'm sure there's others that haven't chimed in yet. Now's your time.....
(apologies if I quoted anyone out of context)
Just to clarify, I'm only interested if the lie is as low as or lower than a PM9.
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13 hours ago, BureKovy said:Flip12, I think you were the only person that requested that. They have this in a 5 and 5.5 already I believe.
There was discussion of doing a lie 4 to compliment their lie 5. As far as I've seen, Base only has one lie for their BC28.
Every lie-5-X28 I've checked in person has looked to be closer to 5.5. The closest lie+rocker profile I've found comparing the X28 to other patterns is the old Easton Drury, which was never considered a 5, but rather 5.5. I've written this in other places on here, but I suspect the X28 originated as a modified Drury, with the standard Drury lie.
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21 hours ago, malcb33 said:Base Kovalev- but I really wish it was the old slightly lower curve
It doesn't seem like they are workin on anything or at least nothing I've seen or heard about. It's kinda a shame because it seems like they've deserted this thread and the good work they started.
The Benn curve is kinda cool, but really not that different from a p92 (I know it hasn't the toe kink) personally I think the Barkov pro about would be a smarter add to their line up as it fills a hole and gives a new very useable option to a big market of p88/92 users.
I've played both new and old Kovalevs and find the Base pattern requires a longer shaft because the heel is more radically rockered. The toe is definitely higher, but I think the toe kink makes up for that.
16 hours ago, Stephen7 said:Definitely not trying to desert this thread. Molds are not cheap to make and new patterns have a limited following. With that said, help me find a pattern that can get traction. If there's enough commitment I can get the pattern to retail. We need a poll or count going. It takes more than a handful to get something like this started. The old Shannahan pattern was easier as it had already been retail and had a definite following.
What about the lie-4 Kreps that was discussed a while back, was that ever close?
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21 minutes ago, IPv6Freely said:I'm a big fan of how un-flashy they are. No bright colors or anything.
I think of them as somewhat flashier than anything else out there, with that foil badge on the side. Just, it's a focused flash, compared to the garish vomit that adorns pretty much everything else. Graf pulled the look off first: let the quality of the materials speak for themselves and add just enough bling to say, I cost a pretty penny. VH, now True, has been the best at it lately.
The VH1's had incredible bling. They're a bit muted now, but there's still a clear vestige of solid bling :)
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I was quick to criticize the new True look, but seeing them in context, they've really grown on me. Especially the custom color options look better in the new scheme.
Looking through the gallery of the CBJ opener, there were so many versions on display. The new ones do look really good actually.
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Prostockhockey had a bunch of his sticks about a year ago, but they made it sound like he had a crazy high lie, 7 or something
5 does sound closer to reality. I've just been burned by high lies so many times I didn't bother. They had a lot of Kulikovs too, and PSH's stock looked like they were pretty much the same curve on both his and Barkov's sticks.
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If it's like this one, and a lie 5 like Cannon says their Barkov pattern is, I'd be in.
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4 hours ago, tvuollo said:... and I did order another Super Mac Daddy. So basically I got 2 bit cheaper than a price of one.
Where are you ordering them from? Might be worth it to ship it in to DK considering the price of sticks here!
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3 hours ago, malcb33 said:I might be on an island by myself here but I would love to see something like the Pro Barkov curve from Base.
I feel like it's fairly unique curve which would be very user friendly and a great transition curve (coming from a P88 or p92) for people wanting to try an easy playing toe curve.
A lot of his curves look nice like that, seeming like softer E28s. I'm suspicious of his rocker though. It looks like it goes really high. Do you have some good shots of the blade face on his sticks?
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16 hours ago, oldtrainerguy28 said:Well I got a phone call today from one of those so called guys "Trying them out." Gemel Smith from the Dallas Stars. His comment was "man these skates changed my game. Im the only 2 way guy left up. And I have been told Im staying as of right now." No he is not a big league guy but for a guy thats a fringe player to say they dramatically improved my movement on the ice? I could actually go on and on with many of the guys I have worked with. As for them with Flare blades if Flare made the adjustments I would want to see as a sharpener I would give them a serious try. You always have to give things like this a try and now that I am closing in on 500 pairs of VH skates sold I would say my success rate is pretty darn good. Even more so that most of my clients 85 % are 10 to 18! And most of those are some of the top players on their teams. And only 9 Hall of Famers but Im working on that.
Also pretty sure Mitch Marner and Tyler Bozack are pretty decent players and they seem to like them! I will leave the Goalies don't skate comment to the goalies to respond to! LOL
Also, from browsing KHL photos, VH was already really catching on there and True seems at least to be continuing that trend if not improving on it.
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53 minutes ago, Skate Mod said:Flip12… you have a lot to learn on skate engineering and bio-mechanics before making ridiculous statements.
Graf initially was engineered by a speed skater not a hockey player, with one goal in mind speed. Graf went out of business because of aggressive boot pitch, low cut boot, soft boot and lack of understanding what works in hockey, they dominated because at the time no one knew too much what works in hockey.
Players are injured today because they are fixated on speed and nothing else with 13-foot profiles and flat spots; those that skate on smaller radius and no flat spot are less prone to injury.
Great! There's so much here
1: When do I know I've learned enough where I can start making the ridiculous statements?
2: Interesting!
3, 4: Highly doubtful.
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6 hours ago, ParkseY said:I use the same holder and steel for both my 1s skates and the Trues and tie them all the way up normally. I think it is a muscle issue with too much of my weight being on the ball of my foot as I haven't worn the Trues in a couple of weeks and got a pair of the new 1x skates and have been skating in them with no issue (except the fit not being as good as the Trues).
I think adding the Superfeet insoles probably did more harm than good in regards to my weight distribution. Any suggestions on how to get the skates modified to get more of my weight towards my heel? Different insoles, profiling, rebaking, etc?
Is that weight too much on the ball of the foot really a thing? Skaters were fine wearing Grafs when they're just as low cut as Trues but usually also incorporated a flared upper cuff to allow full range of motion. If you go long enough back before that, skates were even lower cut and much less stiff than anything seen recently. If being on the balls of your feet were an issue, players would have constantly been injured in those skates and I'm pretty sure they weren't in fact injured more frequently due to their skates than players are today.
How does the range of motion differ between the Trues and 1Xs?
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5 minutes ago, IPv6Freely said:Let’s go ahead and get this back on track, folks. If you want to make ignorant comments about VH, do it in the VH thread. Thanks.
It should probably be a new thread: @Skate Mod's thesis is broader than just VH, Flare, etc.
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1 hour ago, Skate Mod said:R&D or in their case lack of R&D
Both Flare and Scott Van Horne's work are based in university research. I'm trying to follow your logic, but I'm missing the connection.
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8 hours ago, Skate Mod said:Last time I checked Kor, MLX, Mako are buried, I think there is a free spot reserved for VH in the same cemetery. Innovation and new fresh ideas is always a good thing, hockey is too advanced of an industry for hobby type approach.
"Hobby type approach," what do you mean exactly?
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Are these mutually exclusive though? Aren't there ways to achieve variable stiffness using one material taking different layup approaches? Just look at graphite shafts and all the various flex profiles they have.