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    What options does it give under ‘boot height?’

    Pretty cool that you can specify the stiffness by zones.

    I don’t think IW is saying the 9080 is the same skate as McD wears, just the same material spec; different cut though.

    McD could wear 652 VakuTacks and still tear up the NHL. In junior he often had current model skates (by appearances at least) and he was still electric from his first game onward.

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    1 hour ago, JR Boucicaut said:

    Yes it is, it's available for all skates in their line.

    The Ribcor is very similar to the Nexus V-Cut as in it's hand-cut, so there are more options.

    What's hard to grasp is, if the other models are machine cut, I'm imagining they're following a digital rendering that is traced into the material to get the final piece (thinking specifically of a video of the original APX being machine cut, via laser I think), then what would prevent CCM/Bauer from dialing back the height somewhat? It's at the most extreme end of the boot, so I can't see how it would affect the interface of the other parts that need to go into the skate anymore than adding height would.

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    14 hours ago, joepaw said:

    With the snug fit around the ankles - do the true skates limit your ability to fully extend your stride when skating? 

    It can, depending on how far under your body your return phase begins. If you land with your foot in the middle of your body (or even beyond the midpoint like Mogilny did) instead of around the shoulders you may find the close fit prevents you from achieving the outward ankle rotation (aversion) you’re used to. I had this problem in my MLXs, and while I haven’t fixed it completely, I have somewhat successfully addressed it; just need a heat gun to finish the job. With the boots’ high tolerance for multiple moldings you can spot heat where it stays too close and remold it with one of the two methods demonstrated by Cruikshank (roll that part of the boot out) or Van Horne (mold your required range of motion into the boots).

    Personally, I think the top of the boot is the biggest problem area for Van Horne’s hockey boots. The fantastic upside they provide from the second eyelet down is simply worth the rub. It takes a little “hacking” to address subtle fit issues, but that’s just a side effect of such a responsively thermoforming boot.

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    Agreed, 100%. That's why it's important to consider the lie's complete curvature from heel to toe. A lot of lie numbers simply make no sense. P28 is higher than P46 and BX27. Their lie numbers don't reflect that though.

    That's why I'd suggest BM12 in this case instead of P88.

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    1 hour ago, Davideo said:

    I would definitely try a P88/clone. I used a PM09 style for almost 20 years before doing some experimenting last year. I had the same experience with the P92 type, sailing passes and a terrible backhand. Though, I also had the opposite problem of the lie feeling too high. I ended up settling on the TRUE MC, which gave me the little more curve I was looking for, but not some toe meat hook or heel sand wedge that I couldn't handle. P88 clones also come in various lie options depending on the manufacturer (I think Bauer is a 6).

    Bauer calls theirs a 6 but it lines up lower than lie 5 P92s.

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    4 hours ago, Nicholas G said:

    I'll be honest. I have mixed feelings about the skates. Certain things I love and other things I dislike. But that's the way it is with most things in life. If you want it to be exactly the way you want you need to do build it yourself or find someone to build it for you. 

    Can you elaborate on the pros and cons? I’m especially curious about your perspective because you Said you also had your best skating experience in Grafs. Additionally, how would you say these stack up to other current top boots you’ve tried?

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    4 hours ago, stick9 said:

    /eyeroll  We can argue semantics all day if you'd like. The OP wants a higher lie version of the P09, says he likes the P92 but can't keep the puck on the ice. Doesn't this just scream P88.

    And really, suggesting a Base curve. Why not just send him out looking for the Arc of the Covenant.

    I'm confused, who are you saying is arguing semantics, and why?

    I'm just skeptical that the P88 is significantly higher enough to qualify for the increase in lie he seems to be looking for.

    If he's on here and he has an address they can ship to, he can find the curve options on BASE's website in less than five minutes.

    5 hours ago, chippa13 said:

    Just being nitpicky but it is actually BM12.

    Thanks for the correction. I never bother to remember what's a BC, BM, BX, or BS from them. I like their multiple lie options, though.

     

    3 hours ago, Larry54 said:

    More like the Holy Grail, actually. :biggrin: He wants a PM9 in a higher lie. Only BASE has that. I needed a PM9 in a 4 lie and that was my Holy Grail. 

    I've been itching to try that and some of their other lie 4 options. It sucks having so few options on retail.

     

    4 hours ago, Cavs019 said:

    FWIW the P88 lie has always felt higher to me- I have to play with the puck a lot closer to my feet vs. PM9/P106.

    How does it play compared to the P92 for you?

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    1 hour ago, stick9 said:

    Which is essentially a P88.

    But the P88’s a lot closer to the PM9 in lie. It’s lower than a TC2-5, for instance. That’s not the way the OP wants to go from what it sounds.

    Also, depending on how tuned in @Amazinmets73 is to the PM9 rocker, P88 could feel awkwardly flat at the toe on releasing both passes and shots. I think BC12 should play closer to PM9 in that aspect but not 100% sure.

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    6 hours ago, stick9 said:

    Warrior’s variation of the P19 may still exist, W03 I think. Though that may have been tweaked to be more P92 like.

    There is always the P88. Everyone makes one of those.

    W03 is closer to the P92 or old Easton Sakic--quite deep compared to a PM9.

    @Larry54's suggestion to check out BASE might help @Amazinmets73. I'd just add, they also have the BC12 in lies 4, 5, and 6. It's the classic mild Easton Iginla curve, a mid that's not very deep or open.

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    21 minutes ago, Nicholas G said:

    This area specifically 

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/DHsES4jXy0Vl5f9g1

    Is that the outside/lateral or inside/medial ankle?

     

    20 minutes ago, Nicholas G said:

    Not to sound like a primadonna, and I am sure people will flame me for saying this, but when you order custom skates that are specifically designed to fit a players foot you shouldn't need to "hack" solutions together. 

    If True fixes this part of their skate recipe, they’ll be so close to perfection!

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    10 hours ago, Nicholas G said:

    I wish they did put comfort pads. That area bruises my ankles after some really hard skates. I'm going to have to mod it myself to resolve it. 

    Is it the inside, outside or both that dig in?

    I was frustrated with the digging on the outside ankle on my MLX and did a rebake where I made sure to flex my ankle as I would at the deepest point of a push. It helped quite a bit.

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    8 hours ago, Larry54 said:

    As for skipping the top eyelet, if you place your True skate beside your old skate, you might see that the True's top eyelet is about the same height as the second eyelet of your old skate. That was the case when I compared my VH skate to the Bauer Flexlites that I wore previously.

    Right: about the same height as Grafs but much more tapered to the ankle compared to Graf’s flared fit. I think that’s why some players are still skipping the top eyelet in their Trues.

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    It's odd True, and previously VH, get beat up for excess glue, imperfect material application, etc. Every time I'm in a shop checking out skates, I see the same issues with mass produced skates. I've never had the chance to do side-by-side so it could be Van Horne skates are worse in those areas, but the big brands are by no means perfect.

    3 hours ago, mojo122 said:

    I'm just waiting to see what True's future or long term strategy is for this skate.  Easton took the MLX skate, refined it, and then brought it to market as a high skate in the Mako.  When wasn't selling they brought in a less expensive version of it, which was still unsuccessful.  

    Agree that in it's current form that it's a niche skate targeting a narrow consumer market.  The majority of adults are buying skates in the $300 to $500 range, which eliminates the the current True skate from their skate search.

    I feel the same. I haven't had the chance to skate in anything after MLX, but even from that experience, I can see the benefit of Van Horne's approach. I agree with those that see issues to be addressed, and I see them slowly getting worked on. Eventually, I could see a successful stock line or two from True. The shells are just so incredibly moldable that even a stock boot, like the MLX, can provide a near custom fit to a wide range of feet. It might take a good deal of trial and error to dial them in--the curse of such great moldability is there are so many tunable areas that it can take more effort to address all of them and they may require different DIY methods to do so--but the upside of an incredibly responsive and comfortable skate could be worth it.

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    13 hours ago, Zac911 said:

    Key Callout on the Step Steel used with the TRUE Holder-  9ft.  Not sure if that was already covered,  but just wanted to loop back on this.

    What about the holder pitch? There were a lot of conflicting impressions floating through here a while back. It would be nice to have an official answer.

    Edit: Sorry, thought this was the True Skate thread. Was on my phone where it's hard to see which thread you're in without the full URL.

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    22 hours ago, Kgbeast said:

    This is the argument I have seeing around, not sure how that is limiting. Perhaps doing different layup is not feasible in skate manufacturing especially if there is no clear benefit.

    I was just reading about layup for variable stiffness in speed skates here: https://www.materialstoday.com/composite-processing/features/cutting-it-clever/

    Granted, it talks about using different materials to achieve targeted effects for specific zones: more or less overall rigidity, thermoplasticity, etc.

    On another blog, I read about how VH is known for being on the soft end of the speed skate spectrum, closer to Viking than a lot of the other top manufacturers, which is supposed to be ideal for feeling the ice, but less ideal for energy conservation (remembering our discussion earlier about stiffness in holders with respect to energy conservation). I'm not sure how that applies to hockey skates today, but it's interesting to see the same struggle to find the proper balance on a different ice sheet.

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