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Nice find! I've been wondering if Harrington uses Crosby's pattern. Looks a lot like it. Kind of like a PM9 with a flatter heel rocker...
Anyway, I'm not that tall, but still on the taller side and with long arms and I can't use a really long stick for the life of me. 5 lies or lower work best for me and I usually cut my sticks from around my chin to my Adam's apple barefoot. Basically, the LHS isn't wrong in saying that's a general starting point for people today, but it isn't the end all, be all. Just look at Crosby, who uses that pattern or something incredibly close. I think he cuts his sticks around his chin, barefoot. If a shorter stick feels good to you, go for it!
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27 minutes ago, IPv6Freely said:I feel the same way. Only once I’m confident that the jackass 17 year old can’t possibly screw it up will I take the plunge. LOL. If that’s where we’re at then I’m all in (once they start doing custom goal skates)
I’ve also gotten the smug condescension treatment from 35-55-year-old shop managers. Clearly it’s indicative of the quality of the shop.
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2 hours ago, Superjet said:This is the oart that really pisses me off about these things, and I’m reading it in this thread from more people than just you. For $800+ and a custom boot, nobody should have to constantly tinker like this. I’m left thinking that these skates are not as custom as they are marketed.
I’ll let you guys know how the rebake goes.
It’s a tradeoff: highly moldable skates means you can set minor details in stone. It’s a more responsive skate so it does more literally what you tell it to. The problem is learning the skates’ language so you know how to communicate with your own pair and thereby get it to do what you want.
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On 7/26/2018 at 3:48 AM, Vet88 said:The problem with adding layers under the foot is it starts to push the heel out of the heel socket.
I'd be pissed too, something somewhere has gone horribly amiss. Unless you have asked for a strange custom fit, either the shop has screwed up with the scan / measurements or True have got something wrong with the fit. Any fitter worth his salt would look at this and wonder why.
On thinking back to the True skates I was looking at last month, the eyelets had significant wrap on them. I had to turn my foot sideways to get into the boot. Comparing those to yours and the straight sidewalls you have, it's almost as if True didn't finish the fit and wrap the eyelets over the top of your foot. Maybe that is what they will suggest, whatever it is those photos tell a sad story and hopefully True will be able to put it right.
Edit - Ha, just seen the 2 previous posts and we all seem to be on the same page re the wrap.
I agree with the first sentence of your post. Only, its applicability is clearly limited to cases where there's a good match between the volume of the skater's heel and the skate's heel pocket. If the skate's heel pocket has too much volume, which would be detected by heel slipping and is the case presented by the poster in question, it could help to boost the skater's heel up to better align with the skate's heel pocket. This was the case for me in my MLX. I had extreme comfort and connection to my edges, but really bad heel slippage. I first tried to reduce excessive volume by trading out for thicker tongues, then by adding extra padding under the thicker tongue. For me, the skates just had too much volume throughout. I could get decent midfoot fit, but the toes and heels were way too deep for me. Adding the extra insole fixed that. For custom skates, this is an unacceptable hack. But it's a hack that could demonstrate the need for a rebuild to address the misfit between foot and boot. If it helps, it says a lot. If not, no harm done. Just some simple caveman debugging.
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On 7/19/2018 at 10:57 PM, Larry54 said:Funny you should mention that. Before getting my first pair of VH skates almost 5 years ago, I skipped the top eyelet on Bauer Flexlites. When I got the VH skates, I had all the forward flex I needed even laced to the top. Those skates were lighter and more flexible than my current pair of VH skates that I've had for about a year and a half. I've been struggling a bit with limited knee flex with the new, much stiffer VH skates. I tried different lacing patterns with different types of laces (regular, waxed, and oval). For the last month or so, I've been omitting the top eyelet, partly inspired by posts by Vet88 and Amazinmets73. After having gone through a short adjustment period, I'm finally feeling the same agility and mobility that my old VH skates provided. It's as if the boot is so secure to my foot below the second eyelet that I don't need the additional stability that the upper eyelet provides.
I keep thinking about ways to remedy the restrictiveness I see at the top of True's boots. Funny the early VH were less stiff though. I don't know how the MLX->earlyVH->laterVH->True stiffness compares. Still, I think the boots seem to be too restrictive/overdetermined.
On 7/26/2018 at 12:19 AM, Superjet said:So far I’ve tried the stock footbeds with one red footbed underneath, and also blue superfeet with a red footbed underneath. Both felt about the same. I think it’s not so much the shape of the heel in the back of the skate, its the lack of pressure applied by the tongue/laces to hold my foot back into the boot. Pics for ref. I'm wondering if i could have someone add "cutback" eyelets to these?
Seeing your pictures after making the recommendation about adding another insole, I definitely agree with those that say the wrap on your skates doesn't look like it should. That's certainly a contributing factor.
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4 hours ago, boo10 said:Cooper gloves and Micron Mega skates......I wish that was the new gear we were talking about! 😛
Oleg had great style! Those Cooper gloves along with the wide stripe CCMs from the 90s looked so sharp, not plasticky like today’s gloves.
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4 hours ago, Superjet said:I've had a pair (actually 2) for a year now and have similiar issues. The first pair I had major heel slippage and volume issues in, so they agreed to make me a second pair. The second pair feels the same way, minor heel slippage in my left boot and lots in my right made even worse by them putting in the wick liner instead of the clarino like I requested in my first pair. IMO they made the instep depth too deep in both pairs (I can fit over 1 finger under a pencil when doing that test). My turns are great and I can really feel my edges, but I feel like a dump truck when doing quick starts and stops/directional changes. Leaving the top eyelet undone helped me, but it wasn't earth shattering.
Which footbeds have you tried?
Had similar good turns and bad starts with heel slippage in MLX. Adding another insole to reduce volume helped a lot.
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But that new collar is atrocious. They need the extra tall collar, otherwise the Space Invaders binding is way too small.
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5 hours ago, Cavs019 said:By what measure is True a superior product to Bauer? Objectively speaking.
What I'd love to know. Not just with True but also CCM's monocoque boots. I wish there were better reviews detailing the degree of benefit that offers. Is it pure hype, somewhat of an improvement, or purely perception, etc.? Maybe there are some LTRs I've missed, but I've tried to look for that info and it keeps eluding me.
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3 hours ago, BenBreeg said:You can't always nor do you always have to be first to be successful in the long run. Fast Followers have consistently been successful (Google, GM).
That's what Peter Thiel calls the Last Mover Advantage, though it doesn't have to be a particularly fast response, just the one that achieves monopoly (if I remember his video lecture correctly).
1 hour ago, IPv6Freely said:This is exactly why Steve Jobs was a genius. You don't have to be the one to come up with an idea, you just have to be the one that takes an idea and makes it something people want.
But it IS the nectar of the gods! 😄
My theory is Jobs was so successful because he was incredibly intellectually gifted genetically and incredibly socially nurtured by doting adoptive parents, who weren't as intellectually gifted. His main insight to me seems to be making complicated technology simple enough to be enjoyed by ordinary people; encapsulating his particular nature and nurture.
2 hours ago, Cavs019 said:Valid, but that would be an admission that the True kool-aid is actually kool-aid and not the nectar of the gods/Johnny Walker Blue that will also solve world hunger.
Easton, Busch, and a few others I’m probably missing were also first movers at one point in a different category. Seems to have worked out well for them...
If you're thinking of OPS, it was Busch that was the first mover, if I'm not mistaken, beating Easton by almost 10-years. Easton was the monopolizer for a while in the early days of mainstream OPS adoption.
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Looks like they're still holding back final cosmetics at this point. They've done that in the past with their new releases. The first one piece Tacks boots were blacked out.
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3 minutes ago, navy21 said:The skates definitely feel stable, which is an upgrade since I pronate significantly and had to be cognizant of where my center of gravity was on my right skate in order to get to my outside edge. I guess I would say the skates feel "heavier" than my old skates, like I can't move my feet as quickly as I used to....if that makes any sense.
I'm starting to think that even though they don't feel "tight" that they might be too restrictive. Hopefully skipping the top eyelet or re-baking and opening up the throat area that wraps around the front of my ankle will improve....just hoping this doesn't leave me with a sloppy heel.
Just was wondering if anyone out there went through a significant adjustment period with the skates.
I experienced obstruction from my MLX on starts, which led me to realize how much more ankle room I had in my 703's. I don't have a heatgun yet but my plan is to get one and spot heat the top of the boot to open it up. I suggest you go that route too if you want to try to add ankle room: simply spot heat at the top to make adjustments there but leave the rest of the boot as cold as possible, so as to preserve the wrap and heel fit you've developed from your initial bake. It might be impossible not to soften the heel a bit, so I'd try and be ready with clamps to make sure the heel doesn't open up on you when you do it.
I'd only do a full rebake if you're not happy with the other major fit areas as well: forefoot wrap, heel lock, etc. What I notice, even when I don't have the room I like for good starts in my MLX, is the insane connection to the ice on turns at high speed. Have you at least had some good experiences in your Trues like that or do they feel sluggish all-around?
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Have you tried skippinge the top eyelet? Trues are lower but closer cut. A lot of pros who’ve switched from Bauer to True still skip the top eyelet.
Also, can you say anything about something that might feel off, i.e. does the boot feel in the way when you start or when you get up to speed? Or does it feel unstable? Some insight into why it feels like you’re missing some speed could help for the trouble shooting.
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15 hours ago, laserrobottime said:Update on my custom Graf skates: they’re perfect. Unbelievably good. Better overall fit than my highest expectations. The boot is definitely a lower cut but after 5 minutes on the ice I felt quite comfortable. The boot pitch has me too far forward on my profiled steel but I’ll adjust that. ZERO foot pain in my bunionettes, navicular, or bunions.
This is so interesting. Haven't you been in a lot of the other top boots recently, VH included? How do the skates you've had recently compare in performance?
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57 minutes ago, Byonic Skate Blades said:I like to use the analogy of Stilts or heels. The higher your center of mass is from the ground the more difficult it would be to balance yourself.
I’m not sure that analogy applies. Certainly not to the degree that balancing on roller hockey skates does.
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19 hours ago, Larry54 said:That's what Saku Koivu had on his skates when he was with Montreal. Notice the thick black shims.
I guess taller steel wasn't available back then. But with shims, maybe the "flange" (or whatever it's called) at the top of the holder would still hit the ice so it wouldn't be as effective as taller steel.
I'd be interested to see tests on this. Is that what hits when one "bottoms out" on a turn? I thought it was the boot itself.
6 hours ago, Byonic Skate Blades said:The new holders are also taller. The Bauer Edge holder is 3mm taller than previous holder and the CCM Speedblade holder is 4mm taller than previous holder. Adding even more height by using a taller blade would negatively effect stability and balance.
I follow you, to a point. But isn't there more room for even more added height? Look at the comparative height of roller hockey chassis. I know there are other elements that make that comparison less than perfectly direct (lack or radius on typical roller setup being one), but it makes me think there might be quite a bit of potential to add height without getting into the negative balance area. As for stability, isn't that more to do with the radius of the blade than the height of the boot off the ice?
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If skaters want more height, what about adding lifts to both towers of their holders? Probably adds less weight than taller steel, but shouldn't it achieve the same increase in turn angle depth?
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It works better for me with this link, (lopping off the options at the end of the url you posted @MrData)
Was it you that did that blog post on the BC27? His verdict on it is pretty much contrary to the one in the blog: that you have blade contact with the puck at all times because of the rocker. He says you can easily lose contact with the puck due to the aggressive rocker.
If I'm seeing the info on the BASE site correctly, it's the BM09, which has multiple lie options, that has the more rockered heel. He just switches around the comparison, saying BM09 is a clone of the Bauer PM9, and the BB09 is a clone of the Easton E4. According to the BASE curve comparison chart, it's listed the other way around: BM09 is supposed to be similar to the E4 and the BB09 is supposed to be similar to the other brands' versions of the (roughly) same curve.
Thanks for posting the video, it has some nice comparisons between the curves.
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3 hours ago, chippa13 said:You can see both on the Base website.
“Side by side so we can see the differences”?
Still, your help deserves one of your patented trophies.
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11 hours ago, MrData said:BASE Hockey offers its BM09 Modano clone in Lie 6. It's not an exact clone of the PM9 (that would be the BB09, only offered in Lie 5), but it's your best bet for a high-lie pattern you'll like.
Can you post pictures of those two patterns side by side so we can see the differences?
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Do his Langes have an extra eyelet at the top compared to yours or just another one at the bottom of the hinged upper at eyelet-3?
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4 hours ago, stick9 said:Reason I like the holder, well the idea of the holder is because the science behind it is solid. This isn’t some kooky idea like heated blades or holes in stick blades or shafts. We’ve also seen something similar with clap skates in speed skating. That was a huge breakthrough IIRC.
It would be ideal if everything was contained into a piece that mounted directly to your exsisting holder.
How could you do that? I’m having a hard time picturing a piece that doesn’t consume the entire holder.
Also, what science are you thinking of, specifically?
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3 hours ago, laserrobottime said:My new Graf 755 Pros. Had these made up last month:
Carbon quarter, AMC liner, oversized toe cap, asymmetric tongue, LS Edge holder. Still haven't been able to get on the ice with them, but the fit is spot-on.
Look great! Please do a review once you put them through their paces. I’m curious how that build stacks up against other skates you’ve worn in the last few years.
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39 minutes ago, colins said:Wait - is this confirmed? Is the Tacks 9080 the same boot dimensions as the previous Jetspeed? My son needs new skates, the old Jetspeeds fit him perfect but the new FT1's don't seem to... not sure if it's because the ones he tried on weren't baked/broken in or if the FT1 boot is slightly different than the Jetspeed was.
If the new Tacks 9080 is the same as the previous Jetspeed boot, that changes everything and gives me a new option I hadn't considered. Does anyone have definitive info on this?
colins
Pretty sure Tacks are still a different fit from JetSpeed. It’s not that “this is the skate McD wears” but “this skate is the same (material) spec as McD’s,” which is a softer JetSpeed, equivalent to JetSpeed FT380’s but with a composite outsole instead of plastic.
Did the other boots in the current JetSpeed line also fit your son differently? The construction differences between the FT1s’ and the previous top of the JetSpeed line may be to blame. Also, could his feet have changed sizes or volume ratios?
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@CigarScott have you checked out some of BASE's low lie patterns? Seeing as you're a lefty, you might like to try the BC15 (4.5 lie) or BM12 (lie's 4 and 5 available) or BM09 (lie's 4 and 5 available). You could lessen your financial investment to find the lie and length you like by getting a shaft or two at the flex you prefer and then swapping blades in and out.