Hockey hall of fame

[Michael9 57]

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/spo...7a21e9b&k=53818

IMO, Roy, Bure, and Housley are locks for the hall.

Players mentioned in the article who are eligible for the HHOF:

Roy

Bure

Gilmour

Housley

Mike Vernon

Barrasso

Glenn Anderson

Dino Ciccarelli

Adam Graves

Mike Richter

Kirk Muller

Ken Daneyko

Discuss

[Cheesehead 0]

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/spo...7a21e9b&k=53818

IMO, Roy, Bure, and Housley are locks for the hall.

Players mentioned in the article who are eligible for the HHOF:

Roy

Bure

Gilmour

Housley

Mike Vernon

Barrasso

Glenn Anderson

Dino Ciccarelli

Adam Graves

Mike Richter

Kirk Muller

Ken Daneyko

Discuss

ken daneyko is a lock also. Dino Ciccarelli, graves, and Gilmour should also get in.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Did you just day Ken Daneyko is a lock for the HOF?

Roy will get in for sure. I'd have Gilmour ahead of Bure because he was in the NHL for a longer period and seemed to be the leader of his teams. Housley and Muller are interesting question marks as well.

[RadioGaGa 162]

How many can go in at one time?

Roy is the given....lots of deserving guys, but no other "for sures"

[TBLfan 25]

i think pretty much all of them are deserving, but Roy and Bure are soo outragiously popular that they should be locks.

[Michael9 57]

How many can go in at one time?

Roy is the given....lots of deserving guys, but no other "for sures"

I think it is 4, but i'm not to 100% postive about it.

[stickfixchaska 0]

How many can go in at one time?

Roy is the given....lots of deserving guys, but no other "for sures"

I think it is 4, but i'm not to 100% postive about it.

up to 4 players, 2 builders, and 1 ref/linesman

18 members on a committee and an inductee needs 3/4 support. Inductee must be retired for at least 3 years.

[Neo5370 132]

Did you just day Ken Daneyko is a lock for the HOF?

Roy will get in for sure. I'd have Gilmour ahead of Bure because he was in the NHL for a longer period and seemed to be the leader of his teams. Housley and Muller are interesting question marks as well.

I dunno. Isn't housley the highest scoring american born player? That's gotta have some heft to it in the decision making process.

[flip12 715]

Not as long as the hall is in Toronto.

[stickfixchaska 0]

There are a lot of players that deserve to be in, not just the guys that are first time eligable (Larmer, Kev. Lowe, Glen Anderson and Ciccarelli are just a few). Guys that just retired, like MacInnis and Messier, are going to be first ballet guys. They'll be in before Housley, Graves or any of the goalies not named Roy.

Look at how long it took to get Cam Neely into the HOF...I would have considered him a lock, but there were just too many others that deserved to go in ahead of him.

[Jason Harris 31]

Being in Toronto has nothing to do with it.

It's the HOF for hockey, not the NHL. Last year, they inducted one of the Soviet players. Then there's a section for women's hockey, although I don't believe a woman player has been inducted yet.

[j8Zt8r 0]

I go with Roy, Housley, Bure, Anderson/Ciccereli. I can't decide on the last choice so I leave it up in the air. Bure should go as he was well known and they want the Russians more involved.

[pantherfan 0]

Those would be my choices aswell

[flip12 715]

By "one of the Soviet players" you meant Valeri Kharlamov. A perfect case in my point.

[hockechamp14 0]

By "one of the Soviet players" you meant Valeri Kharlamov. A perfect case in my point.

Exactly, how many years did it take for him to get in???

My money is on at least Roy and Bure. That's a great list of players right there. I hope Graves gets in soon.

[mrusse01 0]

Roy, Gilmour, Housley, Bure in that order.

Roy is a given. Gilmour and Housely, pretty tough to keep out guys with 1400+ and 1200+ points. Bure obviously had incredible skill, and I think on that alone he has to get in. There was a fairly long period of time where he was the best goal scorer in the league.

None of those other guys are really at that level, I suppose you could make a case for Anderson and Ciccarelli, but Kirk Muller never cracked 100 points and Adam Graves didnt even crack 80 points in a season, no way either of those guys should be in.

[Jason Harris 31]

By "one of the Soviet players" you meant Valeri Kharlamov. A perfect case in my point.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you.

Are you saying that because it took a Soviet player so long to get into the HHOF (although I don't think he was the first), it's indicative that non-Canadians don't have a priority? If that's what you're saying, it's probably more accurate to phrase it that Canadians as a whole have a body of work that's more deserving of Hall induction, regardless where the Hall is located.

What I mean is until the past twelve to fifteen years or so, very few non-Canadians had played long enough and with great enough success to merit consideration. Borje Salming was the first European in 1996, and part of his case was he was one of the pioneers for the Europeans. Going forward, I'm pretty sure we'll see Jagr, and maybe Forsrberg or Bure, within the next decade.

But my whole point is having the Hall in Toronto has nothing to do with players not making the Hall.

[flip12 715]

That's pretty close to what I was thinking. It doesn't necessarily have to be in Canada, but that it is implies a lot about it. The amount of time it took Kharlamov to get in shows that it is primarily a North American hockey hall of fame and, more specifically, a Canadian hockey hall of fame. Don't pick up any stones, but Kharlamov is Gretzky.

[Eazy_b97 1]

It's tough to judge certain players when they never faced off against the best in the world on a regular basis. Housley won't have issues because he is American, but may have trouble with his defensive abilities. Had Kharlamov played in the NHL I think he would have been in a while ago.

If I score 200pts a season for 5 years in houseleague should I get into the hall.

Actually I'm already in the HOF.... or at least I am told :)

[gavin 0]

Maybe it should be renamed the "Canadian-style Hockey Hall of Fame for you pundits. Because you're right, superstars from a European style who are gods over there but struggle in the NHL and particularly in the playoffs do not get in as much. (How many Europeans win the Conn Smythe? Is that unjust, or simply an indication of how they impact the playoffs?)

That's not to say that they are any less athletes. Maybe they are just better at a different "sport"

[Gongshow11 1]

Maybe it should be renamed the "Canadian-style Hockey Hall of Fame for you pundits. Because you're right, superstars from a European style who are gods over there but struggle in the NHL and particularly in the playoffs do not get in as much. (How many Europeans win the Conn Smythe? Is that unjust, or simply an indication of how they impact the playoffs?)

That's not to say that they are any less athletes. Maybe they are just better at a different "sport"

ya the bures, the ovechkins, the lidstroms, the federovs, the stastnys, they had a hard time adjusting

[warrior37 0]

Only Euro to ever win the Conn Smythe was Nick Lidstrom, I could be wrong, but also I dont think any American has ever won it, so are you going to generalize them into the same category as Euros? And as far as Euro superstars in the NHL, its been what, since the 1980s since they have been a major force? You have to look at the numbers, most players in the NHL are Canadian, Id take some Euros over Canadians and Americans, to me I dont care where a player is born, as long as he can play well.

[Chadd 916]

That's pretty close to what I was thinking. It doesn't necessarily have to be in Canada, but that it is implies a lot about it. The amount of time it took Kharlamov to get in shows that it is primarily a North American hockey hall of fame and, more specifically, a Canadian hockey hall of fame. Don't pick up any stones, but Kharlamov is Gretzky.

It's hte "HOCKEY Hall of Fame" but it has been treated like the "NHL Hall of Fame" for way too long.

[Fury of One 6]

Only Euro to ever win the Conn Smythe was Nick Lidstrom, I could be wrong, but also I dont think any American has ever won it...

I think Leetch won it '94.

[mrusse01 0]

I think if Europeans struggle in the NHL and are 'gods' in their national leagues, it is simply because there is less talent in European leagues.

Of course players from the NHL will dominate the HOF membership, the NHL is the best players in the world. You don't get in because you are an amazing player in the Swedish Elite League, you get in because you are a legendary player in the best league in the world, which everyone agrees is the NHL.

I agree for a long long time the best players were prevented from playing in the NHL because of the Iron Curtain and perhaps even a degree of racism. Remember players such as Mogilny, Bure, and Fedorov all had to defect from the Soviet Union, this current generation of players are really the first who have been able to play wherever they want. So while there may have been some truly great Russian players out there in the 50s, 60s, 70s, they almost never played against the best competition in the world, so how do you determine if they deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

Over the next ten years or so we will start to see the first post-cold war generation of Europeans starting to retire, and I think you will see more and more inducted in the HOF. Guys like Bure, Jagr, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Selanne, Sundin, and Hasek will all get in I think..probably more I just can't think of.