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Cavs019    708

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The only thing I see as useless is your contribution to this board juice......

Lets say your a student at Cornell who isn't making the nationally ranked varsity but still want to get on the ice. From that standpoint I'd say they serve their purpose. Thanks.

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TCsnipes9    0

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Is the chant that goes something along the lines of- sit, sit, sit, sit, sit, sit, sit- with pointing at the goalie and than something else in the chant still happen when BU scores?

uh... sieve, sieve, sieve?

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Project824    0

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The only thing I see as useless is your contribution to this board juice......

Lets say your a student at Cornell who isn't making the nationally ranked varsity but still want to get on the ice. From that standpoint I'd say they serve their purpose. Thanks.

Great point Cavs, there's also a huge spread of options on the club level. On the lower end and in some non-traditional areas, the level of play might be on par with a men's league. Maybe "worthless" to some, but you still get to play, which is kind of the point. We all end up in men's league sooner or later.

On the high end of club teams, they're pretty much varsity teams at schools that are limited from going NCAA for some reason or another, usually administrative or financial. *I am in no way saying these teams are better than NCAA DI teams.

But let's say you're a 2nd line EJHL or NAHL player, talked to a few colleges but aren't a top talent, aren't anywhere near the radar for the pros, and don't have any scholarships on the table, or possibly only a 1/4 scholie to say AIC. Maybe you have some interest from a few weaker D3s like Nichols or Becker. All small, expensive, relatively unknown liberal arts based schools with pretty poor hockey programs, AIC included.

Then you have the option of attending a club DI powerhouse like Illinois or Penn State. Both huge Big Ten schools, with nationally reknowned academic programs in nearly every field. Big college campus environment, and a name on your degree that employers actually recognize. The schools offer on campus rinks, access to huge Division I intercollegiate gyms, training rooms and sports medicine facilities. The teams raise big enough budgets that you are supplied equipment and sticks, warmups and workout clothes. Top club teams also get attendance in the thousands, well over what most low line NCAA D1 and D3s get. And coming from a Penn State or an Illinois, if you're talented you'll still get a chance at the ECHL, UHL or CHL, if not a better chance, than if you were at Becker College. So you get a outstanding academic, athletic and last but not least social experience. Maybe not everyone's top 3, but a great college experience needs all 3.

But we digress... you're right, club teams are flat out useless. Where'd you play?

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The schools offer on campus rinks, access to huge Division I intercollegiate gyms, training rooms and sports medicine facilities. The teams raise big enough budgets that you are supplied equipment and sticks, warmups and workout clothes. Top club teams also get attendance in the thousands, well over what most low line NCAA D1 and D3s get.

Everything else in your post is well and good but, unfortunately, club players at Illinois get none of this...they are damn good hockey players though, great team and coaching...but as far as school support goes for a "club" team, forget it. Which is too bad...I don't know how it is at other club hockey schools, but probably quite similar.

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Gongshow11    1

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The only thing I see as useless is your contribution to this board juice......

Lets say your a student at Cornell who isn't making the nationally ranked varsity but still want to get on the ice. From that standpoint I'd say they serve their purpose. Thanks.

Great point Cavs, there's also a huge spread of options on the club level. On the lower end and in some non-traditional areas, the level of play might be on par with a men's league. Maybe "worthless" to some, but you still get to play, which is kind of the point. We all end up in men's league sooner or later.

On the high end of club teams, they're pretty much varsity teams at schools that are limited from going NCAA for some reason or another, usually administrative or financial. *I am in no way saying these teams are better than NCAA DI teams.

But let's say you're a 2nd line EJHL or NAHL player, talked to a few colleges but aren't a top talent, aren't anywhere near the radar for the pros, and don't have any scholarships on the table, or possibly only a 1/4 scholie to say AIC. Maybe you have some interest from a few weaker D3s like Nichols or Becker. All small, expensive, relatively unknown liberal arts based schools with pretty poor hockey programs, AIC included.

Then you have the option of attending a club DI powerhouse like Illinois or Penn State. Both huge Big Ten schools, with nationally reknowned academic programs in nearly every field. Big college campus environment, and a name on your degree that employers actually recognize. The schools offer on campus rinks, access to huge Division I intercollegiate gyms, training rooms and sports medicine facilities. The teams raise big enough budgets that you are supplied equipment and sticks, warmups and workout clothes. Top club teams also get attendance in the thousands, well over what most low line NCAA D1 and D3s get. And coming from a Penn State or an Illinois, if you're talented you'll still get a chance at the ECHL, UHL or CHL, if not a better chance, than if you were at Becker College. So you get a outstanding academic, athletic and last but not least social experience. Maybe not everyone's top 3, but a great college experience needs all 3.

But we digress... you're right, club teams are flat out useless. Where'd you play?

in d3, the SUNY system, and for that matter, all state schools can be affordable, and many of them have accredited, nice degrees.

How can you say you have a better chance of going pro in club that d3? so say you play at salem state. A good top notch team in the ECAC. Not spectacular, but not bad. at 50 point career at salem doesnt look better than a 50 point career at penn state, or for that matter, a 100 point at penn state? please. go to hockeydb, go to current team guides and scroll through just the rosters of the UHL, CHL, or SPHL, and you'll see tops 3 club kids. Remember even playign at a Becker state you face better teams. Facing UMASS dartmouth looks better than facing kenessaw state in the long run.

Although club, at myabe Illinois, PSU, and URI are good alternatives, they no way compare to a d3 program. And dont say PSU beat robert morris, cuz they never will again, i guarantee it. it was 1/100 chance

The NCAA cannot be compared to club. I'm not knocking club, but as a way to pro? very slim. Only recently has d3 seen many players go pro because of guys like keith aucoin, and kurtis maclean, who have shown in the ECHL and AHL/NHL recently that d3 is a competitive league. Its not like football where theres d1, d1 AA, d2, d3. in college hockey, theres only d1/d3, making the gap much smaller.

o ya, dont talk unless you know about nichols. Nichols is a very strong team, and are getting strogner every year. Brian Malone (pitt penguins) bro played there, and from what i have seen first hand, they are very good.

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Project824    0

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Gongshow,

The point wasn't really to say you'll go pro playing club. There are opportunities to do it for the right kid, just like the right kid playing NCAA D3 will get his chances. Of course more kids will go for it coming out of NCAA D3, and NCAA D3 has much stronger players (besides a handful of teams, club players are just that - club). But I think you'll agree a large percentage of NCAA D3 players don't end up doing more than a few seasons in the ECHL or below league (and even the ECHL is tough now since affiliations have made roster spots hard to come by for anyone who isn't property). Everyone ends up working a real job after, so that degree becomes important very soon. Really what I was trying to say is that unless you're signing for a scholarship or playing at a top D3 like Middlebury or Oswego, you need to consider what schools will help you beyond hockey, and try to make hockey fit.

For the kid who isn't getting the looks, it's an option - if you're not getting the looks out of junior, chances are you aren't going to up for the draft or the AHL anytime soon. So the option to earn a first rate degree and play at a great program is there. That was my point.

I won't argue the whole club vs. NCAA discussion, because there is such a wide spread that it's a pointless argument. I will agree that Penn State won't ever beat Robert Morris again, although for someone who has seen tapes of last year's game and this year's, it wasn't a chance - Robert Morris was flat and underestimated them last year, but RMU is also MUCH improved this season. Give Schooley credit for moving them in the right direction.

I mentioned Nichols because they played and lost to Central Connecticut State last year, exhibition, yes, but Central Conn is a very average Division 2 club team. They've gotten a little better since, but I wouldn't put them anywhere but middle of the pack. I have seen them, I see a lot of college and junior games over the course of a year.

I know you play D3, for a pretty solid team. I was actually up there about 2 years ago to see a player. The intention was not to knock your school or team, because it happens to be a good one, that offers you good hockey options after college. But you should know better than anyone, not every kid is talented enough to play there; a lot of kids who start college on the team end college not on the team for one reason or another; and not every D3 offers what the SUNY system does.

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vdubbin    0

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the only problem with going to bu at aganis now is that you are not allowed to swear. that takes away from the bc sucks chant. also the alfond arena at umaine is a great rink. if you get the chance to go watch a game there go for it.

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Juice_Slowjamz    0

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Juicey, any comment you'd like to add? These guys have a pretty good idea of the benefits of club hockey at the right University.

I digress. After being with (worked for) a CCHA team, then seeing how closely club teams remind me of the Duke lax team, nothing will change my mind.

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ju87    0

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Aren't the BU vs. BC games nuts as well?

BU v BC games are always nuts. I loved going to home games when I was a student at BU. Back then the team played in the Walter Brown Arena which is much smaller than the new Agganis Arena. The student section was loud & vicious. BU v Maine games were pretty rowdy too because they were close to BU at the top of the rankings and they had this guy named Paul Kariya.

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Juicey, any comment you'd like to add? These guys have a pretty good idea of the benefits of club hockey at the right University.

I digress. After being with (worked for) a CCHA team, then seeing how closely club teams remind me of the Duke lax team, nothing will change my mind.

So would you say that junior teams are useless too because they have nutty parties with booze and sluts?

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Langenbrunner15    0

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Aren't the BU vs. BC games nuts as well?

BU v BC games are always nuts. I loved going to home games when I was a student at BU. Back then the team played in the Walter Brown Arena which is much smaller than the new Agganis Arena. The student section was loud & vicious. BU v Maine games were pretty rowdy too because they were close to BU at the top of the rankings and they had this guy named Paul Kariya.

I did love the Walter Brown Arena..it felt like it was an upper scale of a back yard indoor rink. With all the pictures of the "great" hockey platers that went there..also they had the paintings on the lower level thing..they had a huge student section too..when I went to the Agganis Arena opening night, I can't remember where the students sections were..oh well. I did my first BU jersey at the Agganis Arena though. =]

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Juicey, any comment you'd like to add? These guys have a pretty good idea of the benefits of club hockey at the right University.

I digress. After being with (worked for) a CCHA team, then seeing how closely club teams remind me of the Duke lax team, nothing will change my mind.

well after being with (PLAYED FOR) an ACHA Div 1. club team, and playing against 30+ different teams, i can tell you that some club programs are run just the same as some NCAA Div 1 programs, and from personal friends experiences, better then some NCAA Div 3 programs. not sure what club programs you have personal experience, but ill go out on a limb here and say they do not represent the masses, and especially not the top programs.

and based on most of your posts on here, i know that your comments on this subject are simply immature and uninformed.

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Juice_Slowjamz    0

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Juicey, any comment you'd like to add? These guys have a pretty good idea of the benefits of club hockey at the right University.

I digress. After being with (worked for) a CCHA team, then seeing how closely club teams remind me of the Duke lax team, nothing will change my mind.

well after being with (PLAYED FOR) an ACHA Div 1. club team, and playing against 30+ different teams, i can tell you that some club programs are run just the same as some NCAA Div 1 programs, and from personal friends experiences, better then some NCAA Div 3 programs. not sure what club programs you have personal experience, but ill go out on a limb here and say they do not represent the masses, and especially not the top programs.

and based on most of your posts on here, i know that your comments on this subject are simply immature and uninformed.

A lot has changed since Nixon was in the Whitehouse.

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