Avery IS back on the Rangers

[LkptTiger 1]

Oh yeah, that's right, because it was a reputation call on Sean Avery.

That's what happens when you spend the majority of your career committing douchebaggery.

[JR Boucicaut 3799]

Actually we have mutual friends - I think the first go-around in LA my boy told him about it and he said that Avery said that nobody on MSH could hold his jock. Haha

[s4gobabygo 0]

haha! i know it's ironic, but that's exactly what i would hope he'd think!

[NYR4NG3R5 0]

Why is nobody commenting about how the refs didn't see it, and only after they saw the play on the jumbotron and the fans yelling about Avery, did they make the call? Why is nobody commenting about how refs ARE NOT allowed to watch the playbacks and make reaction calls? Why is nobody commenting that linesman are not allowed to assist in calls like that, but they did? Last time I checked, linesmen are only allowed to be consulted in high sticking penalties where a player has been injured, not roughing calls.

Oh yeah, that's right, because it was a reputation call on Sean Avery. All you guys only support what I said earlier in this thread, that being, if Avery does anything questionable all the Anti-Avery people are going to come out of the woodwork and say, "See he's not fixed. He's not rehabilitated!" And thank you everyone, because you proved my point. The crescendos of assclown, scumbag, and bush league resonate loud and clear.

I commented on that 2 pages ago, apparently everyone seems to be in agreeance that somebody saw it and decided not to call anything until after they saw it on the jumbotron. Nobody is going to see things for what it is, all they are going to see is that Sean Avery committed another "scumbag" move and how much they hate him. No amount of reasoning is going to change the way people feel about him, whether it be the people who hate him or the people who love him. There is going to be controversy about Sean Avery until either the league runs him out of the NHL or he retires. Either way people are going to feel the way they feel about him and hes going to keep getting this reputation calls made on him in an attempt to run him out of the league.

[interpathway 9]

Actually we have mutual friends - I think the first go-around in LA my boy told him about it and he said that Avery said that nobody on MSH could hold his jock. Haha

Hahaha. At least we weren't referred to as any worse that unable to hold jocks.

[GekigangarIII 0]

Actually we have mutual friends - I think the first go-around in LA my boy told him about it and he said that Avery said that nobody on MSH could hold his jock. Haha

Hey Sean, meet David.

[chippa13 1844]

Why is nobody commenting about how the refs didn't see it, and only after they saw the play on the jumbotron and the fans yelling about Avery, did they make the call? Why is nobody commenting about how refs ARE NOT allowed to watch the playbacks and make reaction calls? Why is nobody commenting that linesman are not allowed to assist in calls like that, but they did? Last time I checked, linesmen are only allowed to be consulted in high sticking penalties where a player has been injured, not roughing calls.

Oh yeah, that's right, because it was a reputation call on Sean Avery. All you guys only support what I said earlier in this thread, that being, if Avery does anything questionable all the Anti-Avery people are going to come out of the woodwork and say, "See he's not fixed. He's not rehabilitated!" And thank you everyone, because you proved my point. The crescendos of assclown, scumbag, and bush league resonate loud and clear.

IMO, it wasn't a smart play. But c'mon, we've never seen a play like that before? A goalie putting his heavy-ass stick between a guys legs isn't worse? That crap happens all the time but nobody says a thing about it. How about Thomas punching Sjostrom in the face with his blocker? Not bush though, right? But Avery does something stupid, and now he's terrible and the Rangers are a horrible organization for bringing back a player that is, even statistically speaking, an impact player.

Take the blindfolds off, seriously it's annoying.

Did he do it? Also, I suggest you consult the rulebook again because you are grossly uninformed concerning what a linesman can be consulted about concerning penalties.

33.4 Reporting to Referee - The Linesman shall give to the Referees his interpretation of any incident that may have taken place during the game.

The Linesman must report upon completion of play, any circumstances pertaining to:

(i) Major penalties

Rule 20

(ii) Match penalties

Rule 21

(iii) Misconduct penalties

Rule 22

(iv) Game Misconduct penalties

Rule 23

(v) Abuse of Officials

Rule 40

(vi) Physical Abuse of Officials

Rule 41

(vii) Unsportsmanlike Conduct

I'll just laugh at the blindfolds comment.

[Law Goalie 147]

I think chippa just dusted his hands.

But c'mon, we've never seen a play like that before?

Hacking a goalie in the back of the head when he's taken a knee during a timeout?

No, I have not seen that.

And by the way, goalie masks have a floating backplate (even Thomas' Mage) so impacts to the dorsal aspect carry far greater impact; what would be a 'little tap' to a player with a complete shell helmet is a decent whack to the back of a goalie's head. A fact which Avery knew full well.

[JR Boucicaut 3799]

Actually we have mutual friends - I think the first go-around in LA my boy told him about it and he said that Avery said that nobody on MSH could hold his jock. Haha

Hey Sean, meet David.

No.

[RiSeOnFiRe 0]

Hacking a goalie in the back of the head when he's taken a knee during a timeout?

No, I have not seen that.

And by the way, goalie masks have a floating backplate (even Thomas' Mage) so impacts to the dorsal aspect carry far greater impact; what would be a 'little tap' to a player with a complete shell helmet is a decent whack to the back of a goalie's head. A fact which Avery knew full well.

Hacking? I doubt that would have hurt much even without a helmet. Lets stick to the truth here guys. Not once in that play was Thomas' health ever in danger.

I think Thomas' blocker punch to the face of the other ranger was worse than Avery's love tap.

[furlanitalia 1]

Regardless, it was unnecessary.

[Chadd 916]

Take the blindfolds off, seriously it's annoying.

Goes both ways

Actually we have mutual friends - I think the first go-around in LA my boy told him about it and he said that Avery said that nobody on MSH could hold his jock. Haha

Hey Sean, meet David.

No.

I read that as David could do far more than just hold his jock, but I could be wrong.

[JR Boucicaut 3799]

Ahh, well, yeah...true...didn't think about it that way.

[GekigangarIII 0]

Ahh, well, yeah...true...didn't think about it that way.

lol. Sheesh!

[chippa13 1844]

Hacking a goalie in the back of the head when he's taken a knee during a timeout?

No, I have not seen that.

And by the way, goalie masks have a floating backplate (even Thomas' Mage) so impacts to the dorsal aspect carry far greater impact; what would be a 'little tap' to a player with a complete shell helmet is a decent whack to the back of a goalie's head. A fact which Avery knew full well.

Hacking? I doubt that would have hurt much even without a helmet. Lets stick to the truth here guys. Not once in that play was Thomas' health ever in danger.

I think Thomas' blocker punch to the face of the other ranger was worse than Avery's love tap.

And that is why teammates usually don't stand by Avery. Sjostrom saw the replay and was probably thinking, "I took a blocker for that."

[Law Goalie 147]

Hacking a goalie in the back of the head when he's taken a knee during a timeout?

No, I have not seen that.

And by the way, goalie masks have a floating backplate (even Thomas' Mage) so impacts to the dorsal aspect carry far greater impact; what would be a 'little tap' to a player with a complete shell helmet is a decent whack to the back of a goalie's head. A fact which Avery knew full well.

Hacking? I doubt that would have hurt much even without a helmet. Lets stick to the truth here guys. Not once in that play was Thomas' health ever in danger.

I think Thomas' blocker punch to the face of the other ranger was worse than Avery's love tap.

Health? Did I say anything about health?

What I said was pretty clear: Thomas, as a goalie, would have felt that far more than a player getting a similar whack in a similar situation. Less is more. It probably felt like a good solid open-hand slap to the back of his head, minus the stinging a direct impact.

If I came up and smacked you across the back of the head while you were preparing to deliver a speech, or some other relatively high-pressure activity, what would you do?

Avery's schtick is to exploit vulnerability. He sees a guy in a vulnerable position - physically or mentally - and he goes after him. That's why he targets small players, goalies taking a knee or facing a powerplay, guys recovering from serious diseases, etc., and runs like a bitch from anyone he thinks might handle him. The problem is that he's either too crazy or too stupid to discriminate between 'aggressive' and 'unsportsmanlike.'

The sad part is that this same ability to sense and exploit weakness makes him a decent goal-scorer, though a somewhat limited one.

[MattyBoy 1]

I think chippa just dusted his hands.

But c'mon, we've never seen a play like that before?

Hacking a goalie in the back of the head when he's taken a knee during a timeout?

No, I have not seen that.

And by the way, goalie masks have a floating backplate (even Thomas' Mage) so impacts to the dorsal aspect carry far greater impact; what would be a 'little tap' to a player with a complete shell helmet is a decent whack to the back of a goalie's head. A fact which Avery knew full well.

Was it a dick move by Avery? yes. Should it have been called a penalty? absolutely. But for you to sit there and say that he "hacked" him in the head is an absolute joke. And as far as your other comments about Avery knowing full well about how the goalies helmet is constructed and such, for a guy who everyone thinks is stupid and doesn't think, you're certainly giving him a lot of credit for thinking an awful lot before he made the move.

[LkptTiger 1]

...for a guy who everyone thinks is stupid and doesn't think...

In all fairness, there are a LOT of stupid people floating around here.

[#96 0]

Why is nobody commenting about how the refs didn't see it, and only after they saw the play on the jumbotron and the fans yelling about Avery, did they make the call? Why is nobody commenting about how refs ARE NOT allowed to watch the playbacks and make reaction calls? Why is nobody commenting that linesman are not allowed to assist in calls like that, but they did? Last time I checked, linesmen are only allowed to be consulted in high sticking penalties where a player has been injured, not roughing calls.

Oh yeah, that's right, because it was a reputation call on Sean Avery. All you guys only support what I said earlier in this thread, that being, if Avery does anything questionable all the Anti-Avery people are going to come out of the woodwork and say, "See he's not fixed. He's not rehabilitated!" And thank you everyone, because you proved my point. The crescendos of assclown, scumbag, and bush league resonate loud and clear.

IMO, it wasn't a smart play. But c'mon, we've never seen a play like that before? A goalie putting his heavy-ass stick between a guys legs isn't worse? That crap happens all the time but nobody says a thing about it. How about Thomas punching Sjostrom in the face with his blocker? Not bush though, right? But Avery does something stupid, and now he's terrible and the Rangers are a horrible organization for bringing back a player that is, even statistically speaking, an impact player.

Take the blindfolds off, seriously it's annoying.

Did he do it? Also, I suggest you consult the rulebook again because you are grossly uninformed concerning what a linesman can be consulted about concerning penalties.

33.4 Reporting to Referee - The Linesman shall give to the Referees his interpretation of any incident that may have taken place during the game.

The Linesman must report upon completion of play, any circumstances pertaining to:

(i) Major penalties

Rule 20

(ii) Match penalties

Rule 21

(iii) Misconduct penalties

Rule 22

(iv) Game Misconduct penalties

Rule 23

(v) Abuse of Officials

Rule 40

(vi) Physical Abuse of Officials

Rule 41

(vii) Unsportsmanlike Conduct

I'll just laugh at the blindfolds comment.

Chipp - thanks for clarifying the rules. I have no problem being corrected. My question is this, I checked the stats from that game and according to Yahoo Sports the actual call was Roughing. According to your rulebook, in which you highlighted Unsportsmanlike Conduct (leading me to think that was the call you thought was made), I don't see Roughing as a call the linesman can make/assist with directly. I'm sure I'm missing something and I'm sure no less than 10 MSHers are going tell me I'm stupid for missing the point...But the bottom line is I still feel the refs were motivated by the oooohhss and ahhhhs of the crowd and the jumbotron to make their "reaction" call. The replays clearly show the refs looking up at the screen, meanwhile Avery is at the bench and was at the bench for some time, indicating in my mind at least, that the refs had missed the initial call BIGTIME. http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/boxscore;_ylt=...?gid=2009040401

LawGoalie - jeez, talk about taking somebody literally! I didn't mean that we've seen that EXACT play before, I meant chippy plays, and specifically chippy plays by and towards goalies. I'm sure if we youtubed enough, we'd find somewhere in the annals of hockeydom some sort of play where a player did something to goalie like that in a similar fashion. That EXACT play, who knows. My point with that was that it wasn't that terrible of a play, and goalies have been known to use their sticks, unsportsmanlike, themselves.

No sense in discussing a call that's just about 3 weeks old now though, ey?

[chippa13 1844]

Reread part 33.4; the Linesman shall give to the Referees his interpretation of any incident that may have taken place during the game.

[s4gobabygo 0]

regarding his game 4 performance... i hope torts sits him for at least a big portion of game 5 on friday.

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

regarding his game 4 performance... i hope torts sits him for at least a big portion of game 5 on friday.

I hope the NHL sits him for at least a game.

That backhand swipe that opened up Juice's nose was dirty, as was the dick slash to pothiers face about 4 minutes later

[hockeysc23 0]

regarding his game 4 performance... i hope torts sits him for at least a big portion of game 5 on friday.

I hope the NHL sits him for at least a game.

That backhand swipe that opened up Juice's nose was dirty, as was the dick slash to pothiers face about 4 minutes later

Agreed. The NHL needs to step in and regulate someone they have given many chances to but has gone back to his dirty ways every time. Enough is enough.

[Master P 0]

So many deserving players are busting their tail to finally make it to the big show. This D-bag gets to play in the NHL. Get rid of him

[NYR4NG3R5 0]

Even I can't argue that the swipe to Jurcina's face warrants a suspension, as much as I hope Sean doesn't get suspended. If Carcillo's weak punch to the back of Talbot's head got him a game.. I see no reason why this shouldn't see a similar or worse consequence. (as much as I hope it doesn't :P )