Gear Sightings 2009-2010 Gear Sightings

[Ewhitz94 0]

Exactly. The one95 blade is phenomenal. The X:60 blade is very... Easton-like; pingy with barely any feedback.

yeah that makes sence

there was so much hype about the blades for the new bauers and i personally hate them

have to agree one95 has a sick blade tho

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

Exactly. The one95 blade is phenomenal. The X:60 blade is very... Easton-like; pingy with barely any feedback.

Just wait til you see the specs, before you pass judgement. As it has always been, the wrap does not matter - it is the internals. Just because the Vapor and the Supreme now have the same wrap it does not mean it is the same blade.

[TBLfan 25]

It's not worth risking it, I'm stocking up before that ship sails... Unless of course, I love the new stick. ;)

[Husker 0]

Ignorance for sure. A Bauer sales rep (if I were doing the job) would want to create hype and excitement with the hockey stores employees. If the employees are excited for a product the first thing that pops into their mind is that specific skate, stick, glove, ect. After that since they got educated on the product they will be able to rattle off facts and cool features to get the customer hooked. If Bauer just went in and dropped off sticks and products they would most likely sit because no one has seen them in the NHL, and there has been very little information public.

Nothing sells itself.

[Stampede#11 0]

^^^^^^^^^

Correction ... Strippers and Hookers ... they sell themselves

[dsjunior1388 81]

^^^^^^^^^

Correction ... Strippers and Hookers ... they sell themselves

Thanks for making me spit cereal on my computer screen :lol:

[raganblink 82]

Ignorance for sure. A Bauer sales rep (if I were doing the job) would want to create hype and excitement with the hockey stores employees. If the employees are excited for a product the first thing that pops into their mind is that specific skate, stick, glove, ect. After that since they got educated on the product they will be able to rattle off facts and cool features to get the customer hooked. If Bauer just went in and dropped off sticks and products they would most likely sit because no one has seen them in the NHL, and there has been very little information public.

Nothing sells itself.

Totally agree with every but that last sentence (figuratively, not literally ofcourse, although that would be pretty cool if gear could do that). With Bauer everything, Warrior mitts, Easton sticks, and RBK/CCM helmets, and then certain specific models for protective (like this year's S19, X60) it is really easy to sell them. Ridiculously easy. I've sold quite a bit of this stuff without even trying, the customer just puts it on or puts it in their hands and they want it. When it comes to any of these things, sometimes before I can even help a customer they have seemed to already made up their mind that they want it and are going to get it. Monday this guy came in, tried on s19 shins and shoulders, set them on the ground, went over to sticks and found his curve, came up the counter and bought them, was in store for 3 minutes. Barely had time to say hello before he was done trying gear on. If it is quality stuff with a popular name, it should have no problem going off the shelves. And in bauer's case, they could launch sub-par equipment and it would still sell. Might hurt themselves for next season and their reputation, but, it would still sell, fairly easily.

[Chadd 916]

A Bauer sales rep (if I were doing the job) would want to create hype and excitement with the hockey stores employees.

First of all, I am just quoting you for the context of the comment, this is not a shot at Bauer. My comments are not regarding any one specific manufacturer, or their reps.

I know a number of shops that hate their reps and/or think they are assholes but buy the product because it will sell. There are reps that don't return phone calls and ignore dealers. That's not the majority of reps, most are working their ass off to try and make a buck, but there are some that fit the bill. Those that work in shops know the type, there is no reason to name them here, but I'm sure most people that have been in the business can think of a few pretty quickly.

As for creating excitement, shop owners and managers want to move product. It's the potential for sales that excite them. For most other people, it's the marketing that does that, not the rep.

[Husker 0]

I've dealt with plenty of sales reps in the medical field and now fiance some are great and some you'd rather didn't come by so I hear what your saying Chadd.

[shotty 7]

First of all, I am just quoting you for the context of the comment, this is not a shot at Bauer. My comments are not regarding any one specific manufacturer, or their reps.

I know a number of shops that hate their reps and/or think they are assholes but buy the product because it will sell. There are reps that don't return phone calls and ignore dealers. That's not the majority of reps, most are working their ass off to try and make a buck, but there are some that fit the bill. Those that work in shops know the type, there is no reason to name them here, but I'm sure most people that have been in the business can think of a few pretty quickly.

As for creating excitement, shop owners and managers want to move product. It's the potential for sales that excite them. For most other people, it's the marketing that does that, not the rep.

its like that in every industry.

as for creating excitement, yes the rep has a lot to do with it. if i PK every shop except one, i can almost guarantee you that my sell thru in the PK'd stores will be significantly higher than the one i didnt do. staff like attention and they are more confident to show a product if they have something to say about it or a story to tell about it. its not just about showing up and rattling off statistics and facts for 30 minutes... creating hype is what its all about.

i used to sell bindings that were made in italy and painted in rosso corsa/race red, made famous by ferrari cars. not only that, they were painted in the same factory that ferraris are painted (an exclusive agreement between the prez of the binding company and the factory manager). staff ATE IT UP and i sold thru the entire allocated stock in less than 60 days. you could still smell the paint when you took the binding out of the box. without that story and that that hype, those bindings would have come in 2nd or 3rd behind burton, which is the NBH of the snowboard world.

i know what you're saying though chadd, some shops don't want reps lingering around, others love it when they show up, and others are stuck with the most irresponsible reps in the industry. i've seen them all and i know them personally (in my industry anyways), but you have to admit that the more effective a rep is at using his time with staff and people of influence, the more of a chance that brand or product line has to succeed.

[Chadd 916]

i know what you're saying though chadd, some shops don't want reps lingering around, others love it when they show up, and others are stuck with the most irresponsible reps in the industry. i've seen them all and i know them personally (in my industry anyways), but you have to admit that the more effective a rep is at using his time with staff and people of influence, the more of a chance that brand or product line has to succeed.

For a small brand, a good rep will make or break them in a market. For a brand like Bauer, the difference is minor, at best. Most shop employees are kids and will generally choose the brand that is best positioned by marketing and NHL exposure. Everyone loves freebies from the reps but very few teenage players are going to use an off brand product for very long, no matter how much they like it, there is just way too much peer pressure.

[fastbrother7 0]

Found a pic, they do look blue if you look closely but it's a very dark blue.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/98951032/Bongarts

Yeah Bobby send me this pic today:

Clean look though. Wish they would just bring black and blue back as options. Not in full retail runs, but separately. One of the LHS's that has been around a while here has a ton of blue tuuks, however they are so old that they crack during the mounting process.

[CANADIANHKY9ER 0]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1389/p...w_jersey_de%3A1 Elias had franchise 2-rolls? Definetly not his usual creepers.

[Dolom1te 0]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1389/p...w_jersey_de%3A1 Elias had franchise 2-rolls? Definetly not his usual creepers.

false. Those are his normal creepers, it is the angle that makes them look odd.

[burrn 0]

Just wait til you see the specs, before you pass judgement. As it has always been, the wrap does not matter - it is the internals. Just because the Vapor and the Supreme now have the same wrap it does not mean it is the same blade.

Since the blade receives out-of-plane impact, the wrap matters.

With shafts, which are basically only flexed and bent, the wrap doesn't matter that much.

[CANADIANHKY9ER 0]

false. Those are his normal creepers, it is the angle that makes them look odd.

Is it false though? Look at the next pic, they look different from his creepers....

[Scotty 8]

Exactly. The one95 blade is phenomenal. The X:60 blade is very... Easton-like; pingy with barely any feedback.

While I agree that the feel and responsiveness on the One95 blade is like nothing that's ever been on the market before, I don't agree that the X:60 and Easton sticks feel comparable. I've used Easton's various products for over a decade now and while they do feel "livelier", "harder", and potentially taking a softer touch if you converted from a wood stick (such as the initial problems with the Synergy when NHLers had complaints), I wouldn't say they don't have feedback. They feel worlds better than the X:60 and XXXX blades, which in my opinion felt as if they were completely hollow or full of something such as porcelain. The "ceramic feel" is cliche now, but is so accurate in describing the Bauer Vapor blades. I've had Easton Z-Carbon blades that were completely full of broken pieces and dust inside and cracking apart on the outside that felt better than the X:60 and XXXX blades.

Seeing the comparable weave on the Total One doesn't concern me. At least not much. If Bauer pays any attention to customer feedback or even barely monitors opinions online, they'd know that the market feels the One95 blade is literally superior to most everything else in terms of feel and durability. And also that their X:60 and its predecessors had complete CRAP in terms of feel. It should speak volumes to them that every single pro-stock Vapor stick I've ever seen in person or online had a completely different blade construction than their retail version. If the Total One blade were simply a One95 blade in a more aesthetic/glossy wrap, I think we'd all be ecstatic.

I just wish Bauer would address their shaft breakage problems before they try to go making better sticks. They have as many problems with that as Easton does with their blades.

[Dolom1te 0]

Is it false though? Look at the next pic, they look different from his creepers....

no. again, those look like the creepers. here is a picture of vanek's creepers from the same angle. they look the same as the gloves elias is using. (creepers)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3344/p...ffalo_sabre%3A1

[HkY_GuY 2]

i got also fooled at first but i agree those are creepers.

angle of the glove is misleading look at his left hand you clearly see the top roll is longer.

[Gummer12 134]

Watchin the Russia Worlds game..Pavel (still unshaven) is using a Silver colored RBK stick. I see he's been using the white/black package for a while..but first I've Noticed the Silver.

Edit: Actually I think it is the white/black version..just looked silver in one of the closeup shots

[#96 0]

While I agree that the feel and responsiveness on the One95 blade is like nothing that's ever been on the market before, I don't agree that the X:60 and Easton sticks feel comparable. I've used Easton's various products for over a decade now and while they do feel "livelier", "harder", and potentially taking a softer touch if you converted from a wood stick (such as the initial problems with the Synergy when NHLers had complaints), I wouldn't say they don't have feedback. They feel worlds better than the X:60 and XXXX blades, which in my opinion felt as if they were completely hollow or full of something such as porcelain. The "ceramic feel" is cliche now, but is so accurate in describing the Bauer Vapor blades. I've had Easton Z-Carbon blades that were completely full of broken pieces and dust inside and cracking apart on the outside that felt better than the X:60 and XXXX blades.

Seeing the comparable weave on the Total One doesn't concern me. At least not much. If Bauer pays any attention to customer feedback or even barely monitors opinions online, they'd know that the market feels the One95 blade is literally superior to most everything else in terms of feel and durability. And also that their X:60 and its predecessors had complete CRAP in terms of feel. It should speak volumes to them that every single pro-stock Vapor stick I've ever seen in person or online had a completely different blade construction than their retail version. If the Total One blade were simply a One95 blade in a more aesthetic/glossy wrap, I think we'd all be ecstatic.

I just wish Bauer would address their shaft breakage problems before they try to go making better sticks. They have as many problems with that as Easton does with their blades.

Does each Bauer line (Vapor vs Supreme) have its own developement team, each with its own input, design ideas, stategies, etc.?

It makes me wonder why Bauer would make one blade that has been received so well, and one that is basically getting trashed on here (One95 vs X60). You would think they'd know what plays well and what doesn't.

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

No. It's one stick team, that concentrates on one subbrand each year.

[NYK93 0]

Here we have the pic of the TotalOne:

and the TotalOne in hands at the Bauer supply room in Cologne at the IIHF WC

hope it works now for everybody

im surprized no one noticed the seemimly reversed graphics on the green 195, it looks like the graphics are flipped, with the swoosh and bauer part at the top, and the 195 part at the bottom

may just be a broken OPS, who knows

[Scotty 8]

im surprized no one noticed the seemimly reversed graphics on the green 195, it looks like the graphics are flipped, with the swoosh and bauer part at the top, and the 195 part at the bottom

may just be a broken OPS, who knows

The graphic placement is different because it's a demo stick for reps to show people. If you look at the bottom, it has words that explain a certain part of the stick and what it does.

[dumbpolak9 1]

dont know if you guys got this email but totalhockey has an x60 le edition stick

http://totalhockey.net/product.aspx?cdt=63...8&div_id=41

sorry spelling