Power Balance Bracelet

[bob_flip 0]

ebay??

No

Maybe you have just proven that they simply don't work..

I've been 50/50, but my mate was free of expectations. That was suddenly for him.

[jds 20]

Still have mine and I am 50/50 as well. My balance seems better when I am on unstable platforms at the gym (balance ball, wobble board etc) but that is probably because I am obviously focusing on balance (which is the point) and am that makes me aware of the bracelet. The mind is a powerful tool.Haven't noticed a big improvement in skating but have only been out a couple of times with it on. That makes me think that during game situations I am not thinking about balance, therefore my mind is not focused on it, and the possible placebo effect cannot kick in.

[Jason Harris 31]

Maybe you have just proven that they simply don't work..

Unless someone is able to conduct a controlled test with a significant number of participants, measuring the difference with and without the holograms, as well as placebos, there is no way of "proving" the holograms work simply by skating. Even after being put through a couple of movements by Don McKenzie at the conference, and knowing that they worked in that environment, I still don't know whether they've led to any improvement while playing, although they seemed to have done so. As I noted in my first post in this thread, I've paid attention to the number of times I've fallen over the past six months. I've hit the ice about four times while playing, whereas I used to fall nearly once a session just due to trying to make a curve that was too tight for the speed I was going. But that "proves" nothing. It's only anecdotal because, for all we know, maybe I'm skating slower that I used to.

By the way, I think a test would likely have to be a slalom course, because the better one's balance is, the faster he'd be able to skate.

[dayroc 0]

Honestly, if these things really worked it would be great.

But i think it makes to difference in say me buying a new stick or changing my gloves or wearing under armor for hockey to improve my performance and/or balance.

It might all just be a placebo effect as the mind does great things.

[camhockey16 5]

http://www.irenewbracelet.com/

is this the same one as you tried or a competitor?

i saw it on a tv commercial at like 2 in the morning

[flyers10 57]

Saw a pic on Bauer's Facebook page of Patrick Kane wearing one of these today at the Bauer meeting while getting his foot mold done for new skates.

[Jason Harris 31]

It's coincidental you brought up this thread yesterday, because I've been visiting different friends this week and searched this thread to show the video. Fortunately I had it on my computer. Interesting reactions from the two of them, whom have been great friends since we played on a team 16-17 years ago.

The first guy assumed I was acting in the video. When I told him I wasn't acting, his initial reaction was disbelief, then ultimately he said he was going to buy one to try. The second guy said if he didn't know me, he'd give about five seconds time before saying BS, but he ultimately found the concept fascinating.

[edinburghcaps! 0]

placebo?

[natty15d 0]

watch this and make your own mind up

[Chadd 916]

Someone already posted that and we've discussed some of the issues with the methodology.

[TBLfan 25]

watch this and make your own mind up

I'll watch that if you watch this:

[Jason Harris 31]

placebo?

We discussed this earlier, but my understanding of a placebo is the person receiving it has to be given an expectations, as in "It should take about thirty minutes, but then you'll stop feeling your pain." At that point, if the recipient was given a sugar pill, if they stopped feeling pain, then their mind was the medicine; if they still feel the pain, then true medication would be needed to make the pain subside.

In my case with the video, I wasn't told what was going to happen and was totally shocked when I had more strength to fight against his pushes.

[DolomaticDangles 13]

Just picked one up on eBay for $3.50 shipped. Hopefully its not fake, the seller has all positive feedback for them, but if it is then oh well it was only 4 bucks...

edit: bought 4 more now, for the whole family, at $1.88 a pop

[Law Goalie 147]

This is not technically a result of 'the placebo effect,' which is a very limited phenomenon that has been grossly overgeneralised. There are likely several causes, including outright manipulation (anyone know how much changing the angle of applied force by one degree toward the body would have on this test?), but the subtlest and least detectable is the ideomotor effect. Something as simple as the tone of voice or facial expression of the purveyor of the bracelet when handing it over can have a measurable effect on the outcome.

This is nothing more than a commoditised version of the modern 'applied kinesiology' scam - and there are even older instances. The only difference is that, rather than apprenticing to a dowser or paying for 'treatment' from a quack, you buy a widget which is said to give off certain effects. This is exactly how Chaucer's Pardoner made much of his living.

[jds 20]

This is not technically a result of 'the placebo effect,' which is a very limited phenomenon that has been grossly overgeneralised. There are likely several causes, including outright manipulation (anyone know how much changing the angle of applied force by one degree toward the body would have on this test?), but the subtlest and least detectable is the ideomotor effect. Something as simple as the tone of voice or facial expression of the purveyor of the bracelet when handing it over can have a measurable effect on the outcome.

This is nothing more than a commoditised version of the modern 'applied kinesiology' scam - and there are even older instances. The only difference is that, rather than apprenticing to a dowser or paying for 'treatment' from a quack, you buy a widget which is said to give off certain effects. This is exactly how Chaucer's Pardoner made much of his living.

How would you know anything about Chaucer? :)

[Law Goalie 147]

Hah! I used to be able to write verse in ME and speak in a pretty decent composite accent; ain't no party like a third-rate colonial English department party! When the MLA's a'rockin', don't come a'knockin'!

[chk hrd 164]

Just picked one up on eBay for $3.50 shipped. Hopefully its not fake, the seller has all positive feedback for them, but if it is then oh well it was only 4 bucks...

edit: bought 4 more now, for the whole family, at $1.88 a pop

don't worry, you'll never be able to tell if it is fake or not since they don't work anyway

[Jason Harris 31]

don't worry, you'll never be able to tell if it is fake or not since they don't work anyway

I don't think there's any greater proof of the power of the mind than someone who has NEVER used these bracelets is convinced he knows exactly what they can and can't do.

[TBLfan 25]

[DolomaticDangles 13]

I don't think there's any greater proof of the power of the mind than someone who has NEVER used these bracelets is convinced he knows exactly what they can and can't do.

Haha I did the test at my LHS, its a placebo but it works

[chk hrd 164]

I don't think there's any greater proof of the power of the mind than someone who has NEVER used these bracelets is convinced he knows exactly what they can and can't do.

The proof is knowing what can and can't be done using science.

Just saw an infomercial on another braclet. This one didn't have the super powered hologram but was also tuned to the bodies positive power source. I wonder how this one works since it is missing the Power Balance's secret weapon. All the same claims, all the same "proof". Must be using another thing that is so secret that real science hasn't discovered it yet. These people want to help you so much that if you buy one you'll get a second for free. With things like these bracelets, homeopothy, theraputic touch, applied kinesiology, aura therapy and a lot more other "New Age Medicine" I'm surprised we still have those overpriced and un-needed places like Johns Hopkins, The Mayo Clinic and those people who liked to go to school for all those years called doctors.

[chippa13 1844]

"But, you see, these go to 11............."

[Jason Harris 31]

No, the broken record is coming from those who haven't used these, yet are explaining what actually happened to those who have tried them. As long as they continue to tell me I didn't experience what I experienced, I will continue to describe exactly what happened. The fortunate thing for those who don't like this conversation is they have the ability to censor the topic by not reading it.

And, to further continue the broken record, I have readily admitted I had similar prejudices to these types of trinkets before I tried them. In fact, I'm confident I would have similar prejudices AFTER trying them if Don McKenzie had told me in advance what to expect. But, because everything happened quickly without any preconceived notions, I didn't have the opportunity to dismiss it ahead of time.

[Jason Harris 31]

The proof is knowing what can and can't be done using science.

Just saw an infomercial on another braclet. This one didn't have the super powered hologram but was also tuned to the bodies positive power source. I wonder how this one works since it is missing the Power Balance's secret weapon. All the same claims, all the same "proof". Must be using another thing that is so secret that real science hasn't discovered it yet. These people want to help you so much that if you buy one you'll get a second for free. With things like these bracelets, homeopothy, theraputic touch, applied kinesiology, aura therapy and a lot more other "New Age Medicine" I'm surprised we still have those overpriced and un-needed places like Johns Hopkins, The Mayo Clinic and those people who liked to go to school for all those years called doctors.

I once thought acupuncture was quackery. I suspect that would have put me right in line with the majority of doctors from Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic. Then I saw a documentary about Doctors Without Borders, when they landed in China and performed eye surgery on patients. At the same time, they showed the Chinese medicine, which consisted of crushing the leaves from their apothecary chest for medication, along with acupuncture needles into the temples. The patients were fully conscious, yet you could clearly see the patients' pupils going every direction as the doctor moved the needles to the find the right spot; even more amazing, they cut open the eyes for glaucoma surgery using only the needles. Again, the patients were fully conscious.

That totally changed my mind about acupuncture.

Similarly, people have been talking about the power of pyramids for thousands of years, while the rest of us ridiculed it. Let's say that maybe one day we discover there's actually something to it. Considering that's been around longer than modern medicine, would that fall into the realm of "Wouldn't scientists and doctors have already known about it?"

I don't believe in 98% of this stuff, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to open my mind if presented evidence they actually work.

"But, you see, these go to 11............."

One of the greatest lines ever!

[TBLfan 25]

I think you're set on repeat, press the button again and add some new content to your argument. You don't see me constantly reminding you... until now... about guys like Criss Angel who make their living on making people believe he has special powers while preying on the suggestiveness humans fall for. He doesn't tell people what is going to happen in his "tricks" either.

No, the broken record is coming from those who haven't used these, yet are explaining what actually happened to those who have tried them. As long as they continue to tell me I didn't experience what I experienced, I will continue to describe exactly what happened. The fortunate thing for those who don't like this conversation is they have the ability to censor the topic by not reading it.

And, to further continue the broken record, I have readily admitted I had similar prejudices to these types of trinkets before I tried them. In fact, I'm confident I would have similar prejudices AFTER trying them if Don McKenzie had told me in advance what to expect. But, because everything happened quickly without any preconceived notions, I didn't have the opportunity to dismiss it ahead of time.