The 2010-2011 Suspension Thread

[Chadd 916]

True, but the blatant attack on tablot? and tangradi? in third was what set the whole gongshow into motion.

if martin doesn't do what he did, nothing beyond that happens... if whoever ran tangradi in third didn't do that, rest of third doesn't happen.

There's no excuse for the Bertuzzi-like stuff Martin was trying to pull on Talbot. I don't care how dirty and cheap the guy is, you just can't do that and Martin should be suspended for a long time. Hell, I thought Bertuzzi should have been banned for life and this wasn't much better.

As for the hit on Tangradi, the period started downhill with stuff the Pens were dishing out and the Orpik hit after Grabner's shorthanded rush was a pretty major factor in things going downhill. And, as I mentioned, Tangradi, Talbot and Dupuis (I think) were all running around throwing borderline hits on the shift where Gillies took a run at Tangradi. I'm not saying Gillies was right, he wasn't, but the Pens were every bit as responsible as the Isles for what happened on the ice. Some of the Islander players overreacted to the way the Pens were playing, but they were cheap and dirty all game long.

Listening to msg on talbot attempt sucker punch.... could be a lot worse not that bad of message... he deserved it for cheap shot hit last week... gotta love local commentators.

Talbot deserves a whole bunch of things for the way he plays, a sucker punch is too extreme for me though.

[Trooper 8]

Think the whole Penguins bench laughing after DiPietro got 1-punched last game didn't have something to do with any of it? No excuse for what went on, but what did anybody expect to happen after that?

They're that thin skinned? They were laughing because it was a goalie fight and he put him down with one punch.

That game last night and the Boston-Montreal fiasco are prime examples of why the NHL, no matter how healthy the finances, will continue to be regarded as second rate. I could hear Jim Carr doing the play-by-play in my head. Get the good ol' boys network out of management and put some people in who have a good head on their shoulders.

Two players left on the Pittsburgh bench by the end of the game. Wow. Does anyone think the NHL is going to come out and say cut the crap or there will be repercussions?

Should, but why all of a sudden would you give the NHL the benefit of the doubt for being competent?

[lampliter87 8]

All Tablo had to do was answer the bell early in the game. He knew he had injured one the the skill players from the Isles and should have manned up, fought once, and all this bullshit could have been avoided. He practically could have chosen anyone to fight off the roster, they all were gunning for him, it didn't have to be Konopka or Gillies.

But instead he bitched out and I lost a lot of respect for him.

EDIT: added hockeyfights.com's possible suspension breakdown- http://www.hockeyfights.com/quickhits/qh/entry/haley-islanders-beat-down-pens

[WSjo22 1]

Not a fan of Talbot at all. He makes 1 mil a year, can barely skate, shoots the puck like a 10yr old boy and can't fight for poop... Obviously Talbot realized they were gonna get him one way or another but he couldn't answer the bell on his own? It had to take Eric Tangradi getting the Bionic Elbow from Gilles to fight??? I thought Talbot was a character guy, someone that always go to war for his guys? That's the excuses he gets for his piss poor ability and stats yet when it comes time to be that guy he doesn't come through?????

[raganblink 82]

Just saying... didn't see talbot being offered to drop before attempted sucker punch. He also injured there guy on a body on body hit. Wasn't a cheap shot that got isle player injured, if it was cheap he woulda got suspended

[zachary 2]

Not a fan of Talbot at all. He makes 1 mil a year, can barely skate, shoots the puck like a 10yr old boy and can't fight for poop... Obviously Talbot realized they were gonna get him one way or another but he couldn't answer the bell on his own? It had to take Eric Tangradi getting the Bionic Elbow from Gilles to fight??? I thought Talbot was a character guy, someone that always go to war for his guys? That's the excuses he gets for his piss poor ability and stats yet when it comes time to be that guy he doesn't come through?????

What does that even mean? Talbot is a character guy and yes he can skate and shoot.

Having a clean hit on a player in a previous game that somehow later resulted in him being injured doesn't mean you have to fight someone. That's the reason this league is becoming a joke.

[Trooper 8]

All Tablo had to do was answer the bell early in the game. He knew he had injured one the the skill players from the Isles and should have manned up, fought once, and all this bullshit could have been avoided. He practically could have chosen anyone to fight off the roster, they all were gunning for him, it didn't have to be Konopka or Gillies.

But instead he bitched out and I lost a lot of respect for him.

This is, essentially, one of the reasons hockey is becoming a joke. Used to be a clean hit was good to go no matter what. Now, if you injure someone, you have to answer. What a pussy league this is becoming.

And as for Talbot, if you are going to rip a guy, at least have your facts straight. The ratio of big goals (game winners, game-tieing, etc) to total goals for Talbot is amazing. The guy went toe to toe with Carcillo, got his a$$ kicked, and turned the Flyers game around in the playoffs. Scored the tie goal to send game 5 of their losing SC run to OT, which they then won (the game), and scored both goals in a game 7 of the SCF. Add to that he's part of one of the best if not the best penalty killing units in the league. You're right, I don't know why he is on the roster...

[lampliter87 8]

Trooper- yes and no. While I'm not a fan of every big but clean hit turning into a fight, something is to be said when a skill guy is put out for a couple weeks with a concussion. If Talbot can go toe to toe with Carcillo, why not stand up for yourself against any one of the Islanders and be done with it.

Zach- let's not turn this into a Pen's flamewar. Thanks.

[WSjo22 1]

Trooper- yes and no. While I'm not a fan of every big but clean hit turning into a fight, something is to be said when a skill guy is put out for a couple weeks with a concussion. If Talbot can go toe to toe with Carcillo, why not stand up for yourself against any one of the Islanders and be done with it.

Zach- let's not turn this into a Pen's flamewar. Thanks.

My point exactly..... you don't have to fight after every hit, but when the game turns into a gong show because you won't fight and get it over with is crap..... I'm a Pens fan also but arguing with these two when they have their blinders on is as useful as pissing into the wind...

[Trooper 8]

My point exactly..... you don't have to fight after every hit, but when the game turns into a gong show because you won't fight and get it over with is crap..... I'm a Pens fan also but arguing with these two when they have their blinders on is as useful as pissing into the wind...

My initial comment would get me banned. Blinders? I stated that I think it's lame to have to fight after a clean hit no matter what the outcome. No different than everyone criticizing Campbell for doling out suspensions based on the outcome. It's an opinion that's independent of whether it is Talbot or somebody in the West that I have no interest in. Someday you'll learn that adults disagree and attack each others' arguments, they don't take shots at the originator.

[RiSeOnFiRe 0]

Well I believe that Talbot hit on Comeau was borderline at best. Either way, he had to know the Isles were going to challenge him. Like someone else said, just drop the gloves early on and get it over with. I'm okay with how the game played out (especially the score!) except for the Martin play. What a pussy move. Skate in front of him and then rough him up a bit, dont pull that shit behind/to the side of him. Haley is also not a goon. Gillies is a goon, Haley can play and score as All-Star Letang witnessed. And Haley was on his way to the box after his 2nd fight when Johnson started talking n shaking his gloves like he wanted to go. Not Haley's fault.

A lot of people seem to think this game was a direct result of the last time these two teams played. Truth is its not. Did it play a factor? Sure. But this has a lot to do with Tavares. This kid gets cheap-shotted ALL THE TIME and never gets the calls. Z has come out and said enough is enough. If the ref's aren't going to do something about it when we will. The tipping point was the Leafs game. JT gets hit from behind by Phaneuf with no-call. JT goes back to the bench pissed off and SLAMS the door. The game was dirty but my team grew a little closer last night and I'm proud of them. It was a little overboard, but so be it. I might get flamed for this and called a homer but the Isles are tired of being cheap-shotted.

Appropriate (and realistic) suspensions:

Goddard - 10

Gillies - 5

Martin - 10

Edit: Bettman is getting in on the suspensions, which means the Penguins wont recieve any (SARCASM!!!!)

[Chadd 916]

Having a clean hit on a player in a previous game that somehow later resulted in him being injured doesn't mean you have to fight someone. That's the reason this league is becoming a joke.

Clean, no. Unpenalized, yes. Talbot hit him pretty much directly from behind and could have been easily called a charge. He's well known around the league for being one of those guys that hits late and when other guys are vulnerable, but never stands up to challenges.

[zebra_steve 11]

If anyone - star or otherwise - gets injured on a "clean hit" then it sucks to be them. Either they need to change their game so they are not in the position to receive those hits or just maybe the league need to evaluate just what it considers a legal hit. There are a whole lot of hits thrown for no other reason than to intimidate or injure an opponent..... I hear all the time "finish your check".... well, just how late of a hit is finishing a check and how late is just plain cheap BS?

[Fire0nIce228 1]

I blame the refs for quite a bit of that.. They HAVE to be cognizant and aware of exactly why Gilles and Haley were playing and should have done more to control them. I was shocked to see them letting Konopka I think it was stand in a mount over a Pens player on his back without stepping in towards the end of the game. I don't get it.

Tavares two handed on Letang was pretty decent. I'm kinda glad that Crosby and Malkin did not play and am happy to see that Staal, Letang and most of the Pens didnt get any serious injuries.

Too bad Engelland and Rupp got tossed so early. Good on Goddard for coming over the bench even if it earned him 10. Someone had to do something.

Islanders once again prove that they are a LONG LONG way away from the once mighty, proud, respectable franchise they used to be. I bet Garth Snow couldn't have the smile smacked off his face last night.

[Drewhunz 3]

Good on Goddard for coming over the bench even if it earned him 10. Someone had to do something.

If the shoe was on the other foot and the reverse happened I'd be able to hear the Pens fans crying from here more than I already do.

[RadioGaGa 162]

Goddard got the instant 10.

Hearings for Martin, Konaopka and Gillies. TSN said they expect desicions as ealry as laster tonight.

[Chadd 916]

I hear all the time "finish your check".... well, just how late of a hit is finishing a check and how late is just plain cheap BS?

That depends on who is getting hit, the guy on your team or the guy on their time.

Tavares two handed on Letang was pretty decent. I'm kinda glad that Crosby and Malkin did not play and am happy to see that Staal, Letang and most of the Pens didnt get any serious injuries.

Letang was pretty heavy on the slashes as well. He laid a hard slash across the hands of someone in the third period.

[Fire0nIce228 1]

That depends on who is getting hit, the guy on your team or the guy on their time.

Letang was pretty heavy on the slashes as well. He laid a hard slash across the hands of someone in the third period.

Look, I know you guys know I'm a pens fan and all that crap. I'm not gonna get into the nitpicking of 'if the shoe was on the other foot, he said she said blah blah blah'; the bottom line in my opinion is that the game was a disgrace. The worst part of it was that it appears to be a decision from the top down on behalf of the Isles to target certain Pens players. Its too Bertuzzi-esq and the league should handle as such.

[Chadd 916]

Look, I know you guys know I'm a pens fan and all that crap. I'm not gonna get into the nitpicking of 'if the shoe was on the other foot, he said she said blah blah blah'; the bottom line in my opinion is that the game was a disgrace. The worst part of it was that it appears to be a decision from the top down on behalf of the Isles to target certain Pens players. Its too Bertuzzi-esq and the league should handle as such.

I don't recall threats made via the media like in the case of the Bertuzzi incident. I also don't recall anything serious happening until the Isles were up by half a dozen. If it was a case of the Isles planning on retribution, wouldn't they have started from the beginning of the first period? It's not like they could have reasonably planned to go up by half a dozen before they went after the Pens.

[Fire0nIce228 1]

Did you watch the game? They went after him the entire game, Martin stalked him thru the neutral zone and had his gloves off before Talbot even knew he was there. Haley searched out Talbot during the debacle in the third period too. Not to mention Haley seeking out Johnson after that. Soon as he got off Talbot he was looking down towards Johnson. Just an FYI, the runway to the Isles locker room was down the runway where they sent Gilles..at the opposite end of the ice from Johnson. He had no business going down that way. Regardless of the time, score, etc. if you don't think the Isles planned on Talbot/Johnson/retribution before it was all said and done then I cant help you.

[Chadd 916]

Did you watch the game?

Yes, that's why I said the stupid stuff didn't start until after the score was 6-0. Everything you mention came after that point.

[dalebert 8]

Just out of curiosity, I watched the game, I did not see the one with the Comeau hit or dp fight so I do not want my words being read wrong, just curious, did anything happen prior to the Gillies hit on Tangradi to make him attack him like that? and I will state again I am an Islanders fan, happy to see them standing up for themselves, to this extent I think was a bit ridiculous. Just asking because there is really no mention on either broadcast of any prior incident between the 2 or Tangradi and the Isles. (I found replays from both broadcasts to listen to commentators)

[Chadd 916]

Just out of curiosity, I watched the game, I did not see the one with the Comeau hit or dp fight so I do not want my words being read wrong, just curious, did anything happen prior to the Gillies hit on Tangradi to make him attack him like that? and I will state again I am an Islanders fan, happy to see them standing up for themselves, to this extent I think was a bit ridiculous. Just asking because there is really no mention on either broadcast of any prior incident between the 2 or Tangradi and the Isles. (I found replays from both broadcasts to listen to commentators)

There were some borderline hits on that shift by all three Pens forwards, but nothing to justify that kind of response from Gillies.

[dalebert 8]

There were some borderline hits on that shift by all three Pens forwards, but nothing to justify that kind of response from Gillies.

Ok, that I knew I just wasn't sure. Thank you.

[mug25 2]

The entire game would've been better if Crosby and Cooke were in it — would've loved to see one of them get knocked out instead.