2011-2012 Suspension thread

[Chadd 916]

Any popint in even speculating on what Giroux might get? Probably better off throwing darts at a board full of numbers.....(That IS how the League decides suspensions, isn't it?)

I'll take a wild stab and say 2....which in the roughly times 2 world of playoff v. regular season discipline would make it a 5 or 6 gamer....meh...an absolute science it is not!

I think the fact that he was kinda running around looking for someone to hit will work against him!

No history for him if I recall and I don't think the league will want it to run into next season, so I'll go with one game.

[psh 25]

Giroux has been scheduled for a hearing. I'm a little surprised. Thought there might be some hesitance to discipline the leading playoff scorer. I put the over/under at 2 games.

Going for Giroux: no previous suspensions, didn't leave his feet, he was penalized in the game, and he is a superstar. Also, Zubrus remained in the game.

Going against Giroux: there was clear intent, the puck was long gone, it was a direct shot to the head, (not one that initially contacts the shoulder and then rides up), and the heat the league has been taking for being so inconsistent in its discipline this playoffs.

I just don't see how he can't be suspended for at least one game. And that is a shame. Though Giroux's play has dropped off this series, he has been putting on a show. Great fun to watch and a great ambassador for the game. I hope he learns from going through this process. There could be a lot of similarity between Giroux and this playoffs and Crosby going through the playoffs his sophomore year. In fact, in a funny coincidence, wasn't it the Flyers series in Crosby's second year when Crosby really seemed to lose the bench and crumble under the pressure of wearing the "C" so early? I look forward to watching Giroux take leadership of the Flyers no matter what happens this year.

[camhockey16 5]

for the lazy..

[RadioGaGa 162]

I think that is the first time I've seen the graphic of "Head Contact" shown for a penalty? Has NBC been doing that all playoff?

brb...checking something: Ah, I didn't realize the NHL Score sheet also lists it as "Illegal Check to Head"

[215BroadStBullies610 435]

I thought it just went down as 'Head Contact.' Anywho, I would be surprised if G wasn't suspended. The NHL dropped the ball once with Weber and I don't think they will do it again. Just a combination of frustration and lack of control on G's part. Interesting, though, how quickly Zubrus was able to recover...

[camhockey16 5]

Interesting, though, how quickly Zubrus was able to recover...

You can't use that as reasoning why giroux shouldn't be punished - giroux and couturier stayed on the ice when they were hit by neal last round and they still played the rest of the game. it happens on every team all the time. i still think that whether the player is injured shouldn't have any effect on the suspension - suspend the action - not the result of the action.

[215BroadStBullies610 435]

You can't use that as reasoning why giroux shouldn't be punished - giroux and couturier stayed on the ice when they were hit by neal last round and they still played the rest of the game. it happens on every team all the time. i still think that whether the player is injured shouldn't have any effect on the suspension - suspend the action - not the result of the action.

You can when the NHL does ha. If Zubrus gets carted off do think his punishment will increase or decrease? That's how hockey is. If someone gets high-sticked: 2 mins. If there is blood though: 4 mins. G made contact with the head but the NHL has shown that it DOES factor in the result of injury. I don't agree with it but that's how they go about doing their business ha.

[steelnation248 101]

With what I've seen in these playoffs, it wouldn't surprise me if he only gets a fine, if anything at all.

[Fury of One 6]

If a hearing's scheduled, a suspension is guaranteed. He could have shouldered him, but he cut in front of him and lifted up. Should be a couple.

[EBondo 233]

If a hearing's scheduled, a suspension is guaranteed. He could have shouldered him, but he cut in front of him and lifted up. Should be a couple.

Not guaranteed. Neal had two different hearings, only got one game.

[bigdmac 12]

I'd say they will give him only one game, I think he only deserves around one or two but I don't think the NHL will make him sit out the first game of the year if they do happen to lose next game.

[camhockey16 5]

You can when the NHL does ha. If Zubrus gets carted off do think his punishment will increase or decrease? That's how hockey is. If someone gets high-sticked: 2 mins. If there is blood though: 4 mins. G made contact with the head but the NHL has shown that it DOES factor in the result of injury. I don't agree with it but that's how they go about doing their business ha.

all i'm saying is that injuries can be faked/drawn out/exaggerated - what if two players throw the exact same hit - but one opposing player gets a severe concussion and the other opposing player is perfectly fine? to be consistent the nhl should punish both players the same - but i agree that they don't do that currently

[camhockey16 5]

he did get one game btw

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=395280

FLYERS' GIROUX SUSPENDED ONE GAME FOR ZUBRUS HIT

[ibeck 38]

Good on the NHL for suspending him especially with Giroux being a super star and Philly facing elimination, they stepped up.

[5 Minute Major 1]

SMH

[TeamBlue96 3]

Being a homer aside -- Shanny has not done well this post season...-- players are more confused than anything.

Yes it was a headshot, but i don't think it was deliberate. Giroux wasn't looking at Zubrus and he DID lift his shoulder, I think the intent to hit was there, but he didn't anticipate Zubrus leaning into it. What irks me is that he was fine after that play and played the rest of the game no problem.

Very similar to WSH/NY game where Nick Backstrom threw the shoulder going into the corner and surprised the D man; had there been contact to the head -- would he have the same fate as G?

Sense/or lackthere of:

Weber deliberately slamming the head of Zetterberg into the glass: penalty in the game, fined $2500

Malkin rabbit punching Giroux in the back of the head while he was down: no penalty, no suspension, no fine.

Neal flying elbow to the head of Giroux: penalized in the game, 1 game suspension

Neal lauching himself into Couturier: no penalty, no fine, no suspension

Asham instigating and high cross check: penalty in game, suspended 4 games.

Torres launching himself into Hossa: penalty in the game, 25 game suspension

Ovechkin launching himself into Girardi: penalty in the game, no fine no suspension.

Klesla boarding play: penalty in the game, 1 game suspension

Anyone else confused?

[wrangler 157]

My new approach is correctly predicting all suspensions -- the Magic 8-ball.

NHL video on Giroux suspension: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=630913

[Chadd 916]

My new approach is correctly predicting all suspensions -- the Magic 8-ball.

NHL video on Giroux suspension: http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=630913

I thought this one was easy to predict.

Klesla boarding play: penalty in the game, 1 game suspension

Anyone else confused?

That one makes no sense considering the fact that there was no suspension to King for boarding Pietrangelo.

[RadioGaGa 162]

Forget the numbers...I'm just glad when someone gets something. Fines....at the rate they are at...are absolutlely useless.

[215BroadStBullies610 435]

Not surprised. It's the right call. G was frustrated and it showed because he isn't usually one to bone-headed plays. He had to a right to be upset for the blown call but one can't condone a shot to the head even if the puck handler's head is down. The NHL normally calls that. Well, if the Flyers want to continue their comeback ways, tomorrow night would be a good time to start.

[wrangler 157]

I'm not surprised at the suspension; I was surprised when he got only 2 minutes.

[psh 25]

I suspect this will wake up the Flyers and that tomorrow's game will be a good one. If Giroux's suspension and a return home isn't enough to inspire a rally, I don't know what is.

[Stoop 1]

Giroux wasn't looking at Zubrus and he DID lift his shoulder,

You mean he wasn't looking in his eyes when he followed through? I'm sure he didn't actually think, "I'm going to put my should into his chin,", but he was definitely looking at him until the actual contact came.

Weber deliberately slamming the head of Zetterberg into the glass: penalty in the game, fined $2500

Malkin rabbit punching Giroux in the back of the head while he was down: no penalty, no suspension, no fine.

Neal flying elbow to the head of Giroux: penalized in the game, 1 game suspension

Neal lauching himself into Couturier: no penalty, no fine, no suspension

Asham instigating and high cross check: penalty in game, suspended 4 games.

Torres launching himself into Hossa: penalty in the game, 25 game suspension

Ovechkin launching himself into Girardi: penalty in the game, no fine no suspension.

Klesla boarding play: penalty in the game, 1 game suspension

Anyone else confused?

Yeah, some of these are hard to figure, though I'd wish people would stop throwing Torres in there. It's obvious that the vast majority of his suspension was because of his history of past serious incidents. And I still think the message from the NHL is: punch all you want, that's between the players; but we watch the checks very closely.

[215BroadStBullies610 435]

all i'm saying is that injuries can be faked/drawn out/exaggerated - what if two players throw the exact same hit - but one opposing player gets a severe concussion and the other opposing player is perfectly fine? to be consistent the nhl should punish both players the same - but i agree that they don't do that currently

I think we are agreeing in different ways ha. I still thought that what Giroux did was wrong based on what the NHL has implemented. It didn't really matter what happened to Zubrus in that sense. I was just pointing it out because the NHL bases their suspensions on injury also.

[Fire0nIce228 1]

What irks me is that he was fine after that play and played the rest of the game no problem.

Now you know how Pens fans felt to watch Schenn writhe on the ice like he was dying, Giroux to drunkenly stumble and fall after the Neal sideswipe, Briere down when the wind gusts, and Couturier...well, he flat got laid out so I'll give him some wiggle room on staying down on that one. Point is, players are milking it for all its worth. We're half way to soccer with the embellishment