Supplemental Discpline 2013-14

[IPv6Freely 2094]

Fraser's take: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441637

[RadioGaGa 162]

Torts has been called to the Principal's office. From what i saw, it's in person. So, suspension is all but guaranteed.

[Chadd 916]

Torts has been called to the Principal's office. From what i saw, it's in person. So, suspension is all but guaranteed.

The most similar precedent was a 30 day suspension and $20k fine. I don't think he will see another game before the Olympic break, they have ten games before it starts and that's a nice, round number. I've heard comments regarding his two prior incidents against NJ for goonery, I'm wondering how his "history" will factor in to the suspension.

EDIT:

and this is just too damn funny not to share

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/1487939_10151972907547979_1781532154_o.jpg

[that_guy 2]

Any thoughts on this hit from Benn?

http://i.minus.com/ibku6kyyVKncjH.gif

No hearing has been scheduled so most likely nothing will come.

To me it looks like a pretty blatant elbow to the head.

[Chadd 916]

I would agree, that should be a couple games. It's hard to see any way around that one.

[IPv6Freely 2094]

What I'm curious about re: Calgary/Vancouver... 8 of the 10 players involved were given game misconducts. Why not all 10? What made two of them different from the others?

[Trooper 8]

What I'm curious about re: Calgary/Vancouver... 8 of the 10 players involved were given game misconducts. Why not all 10? What made two of them different from the others?

You are going to get debilitating headaches if you try to make logical sense of the NHl's handling of anything.

As an aside, usually I can't find even a recap of games on USA Today's site but of course the Torts story is right under the NFL playoffs this morning. That is really the NHL's master PR plan...

[Chadd 916]

What I'm curious about re: Calgary/Vancouver... 8 of the 10 players involved were given game misconducts. Why not all 10? What made two of them different from the others?

I haven't looked at the score sheet, but I believe that whenever there are multiple fights during the same stop in play, every fight after the first one results in a game misconduct. Since all ten skaters squared off, eight game misconducts would make sense.

[RadioGaGa 162]

McGratton and Sestisto were the first 2 to actually engage in a fight...so, I guess they considered everyone else "secondary" altercations.

[chippa13 1844]

I don't blame Tortarella one bit. We saw what happened when the Leafs tried to diffuse a situation with skill vs knuckle draggers and Scott grabbed Kessel. I've always had a very negative opinion of Hartley and Saturday night did nothing to change that. The kid I feel bad for is Lain.

"Honey, the game's starting, let's get in our seats."

"Say, where's our boy?"

"In the showers."

[IPv6Freely 2094]

Thanks Chadd and RadioGaGa. That makes sense.

I don't blame Tortarella one bit. We saw what happened when the Leafs tried to diffuse a situation with skill vs knuckle draggers and Scott grabbed Kessel. I've always had a very negative opinion of Hartley and Saturday night did nothing to change that. The kid I feel bad for is Lain.

"Honey, the game's starting, let's get in our seats."

"Say, where's our boy?"

"In the showers."

That's exactly what I'm thinking. Though I do agree w/ Chadd that he could have put out some guys that could hold their own without putting out goons.

I still think the blame is a good 80/20 for hartley/torts.

Chippa I agree, Lain is the biggest casualty of this. Torts even specifically mentioned that in his post-game, how that will be his biggest regret coming out of all this, putting him out there and ruining his debut.

[chippa13 1844]

Kesler and Burrows can defend themselves against like players but you can't send them out to get ragdolled by knuckle draggers. It was rather apparent from all the run-up to the puck drop that the Flames players had one thing in mind. I can't stand Bieksa but I give him credit for stepping in and trying to protect the kid at the dot.

[wrangler 157]

I wouldn't even want to send out a tough good player in the same weight class. Calgary would like that trade all day, with goon vs. skill players trading off misconducts and box time.

Millbury had a nice graphic yesterday on NBC showing the low ice time and scoring, and the high PIM for Westgarth and McGrattan (sp?). JR sounded like he would have loved to try skating around those guys, but he's a different animal.

One more thing -- based on Tortorella's track record, Hartley knew exactly what was going to happen, and made a deliberate choice.

[Stewie 721]

not to mention, Kesler would be better used against teams top lines because of his two way play. The lineup was set intentionally, torts has to counter as he did.

[IPv6Freely 2094]

I can't stand Bieksa but I give him credit for stepping in and trying to protect the kid at the dot.

Agreed. Good on him for that one.

[Chadd 916]

not to mention, Kesler would be better used against teams top lines because of his two way play. The lineup was set intentionally, torts has to counter as he did.

If Torts puts out any other line, and things still started the same way, everyone would be blaming Hartley. He has started his third and fourth lines a number of times over his career, I saw him do it when he coached here in Hershey. I never saw this kind of side show in those games. There is no doubt that Bob likes a very physical style of hockey, but only one guy got called to NY for a meeting.

[Machinehead2k5 32]

If Torts puts out any other line, and things still started the same way, everyone would be blaming Hartley. He has started his third and fourth lines a number of times over his career, I saw him do it when he coached here in Hershey. I never saw this kind of side show in those games. There is no doubt that Bob likes a very physical style of hockey, but only one guy got called to NY for a meeting.

He used to do this as well in Atlanta, The scary line of Vigier-Slater-Larsen coming right at you or even Boulton-Slater-Larsen/Aubin/etc. and nothing of thise nature happened.

[Stewie 721]

either way, I think you counter 4th line for 4th line, thats how you match up, especially against a team like Calgary when every single one of your lines is better then the equivalent of theirs. Tort shouldnt have made a spectacle between periods, but I cant fault him on the line matchup.

[bigdmac 12]

15 days for Tortorella

$25,000 fine for Hartley

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441725

[IPv6Freely 2094]

I'm good with the punishments. Sounds right.

[CommodoreColt 19]

Not sure what you all think of Adam Proteau around here but I like his view of the episode:

In essence, Hartley played the role of agitator, but Tortorella was the sucker who fell for it and made things exponentially worse.

Link [thehockeynews.com] for those resistant to unpopular opinions.

[Gefiltefish 9]

I would agree, that should be a couple games. It's hard to see any way around that one.

Haven't seen anything on the Benn/Cooke incident. They play again tomorrow night, so if the league doesn't handle it, I wonder if the players will? Not like Minnesota has any enforcer types anyway (Rupp has only played one game this year and I doubt Stoner would risk getting booted from the game).

I know Benn thought Cooke got away with a high stick earlier in the period (just before Dallas scored on the PP), but it was on a follow-though i believe. And someone on Dallas did the same thing to Cooke earlier in the game. Both were legal plays though.

[Chadd 916]

Not sure what you all think of Adam Proteau around here but I like his view of the episode:

Link [thehockeynews.com] for those resistant to unpopular opinions.

I have said pretty much all of those things, he must have no idea what he's talking about.

[wrangler 157]

If Torts puts out any other line, and things still started the same way, everyone would be blaming Hartley. He has started his third and fourth lines a number of times over his career, I saw him do it when he coached here in Hershey. I never saw this kind of side show in those games. There is no doubt that Bob likes a very physical style of hockey, but only one guy got called to NY for a meeting.

And the meeting had nothing to do with the game decisions.

I'm good with the punishments. Sounds right.

It certainly shows how much the NHL cares about having a circus on the ice.

[chippa13 1844]

I disagree, the NHL decision shows how much it cares about having a circus off the ice. Hartley received only a pass the hat fine and Tortorella was punished for his actions between periods.