Anyone know if the LS EDGE rentention system broke or was it the blade

[Goonsquad 209]

Saw this on Puck Daddy. Video and images of Olesky blowing out a tire during the Vancouver game. The steel winds up in the net. I am not sure if the the LS Edge holder failed or the Blade failed. Anyone have any insight:?

http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2013/10/28/steve-oleksy-loses-skate-blade-struggles-to-bench-gifs/

[ID Rollerpop 4]

I think Stamkos had a problem too in Pittsburg and the ref getting called out a little for helping him to the bench, at least by the Penguins fans. I have been wondering the same thing as it seems I have seen more issues with lost blades in the first month of the season than I have seen in any other complete season.

[mojo122 538]

So last night's was the first that I have seen it happen. Curious though as to whether is just popped out or if there was a break in the attachment point. Wondering what the numbers are currently for the LS Edge in terms of how many (NHL) are skating with them?

[Chadd 916]

With as much time as these guys spend on the ice, and the torque they generate, it was inevitable that there would be problems. Regardless of the assurances to the contrary.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Saw this on Puck Daddy. Video and images of Olesky blowing out a tire during the Vancouver game. The steel winds up in the net. I am not sure if the the LS Edge holder failed or the Blade failed. Anyone have any insight:?

http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2013/10/28/steve-oleksy-loses-skate-blade-struggles-to-bench-gifs/

Later on in the video that I saw on TSN, you see the EQM putting a new blade in the skate while Oleksy's on the bench, so if that's the case, the blade broke, and not an issue with the holder.

Then again, he could've tried to put it in, then gone to the locker room. I didn't see the game, so just going by how the video ended.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

I have seen this the time they came out. Unless they deepen the channel and make the LS2 blade taller this whole idea needs to be scrapped. I could post the video from one of my players skates. The skate movement when clamped is scary how much the blade flexes. She is 130 lbs and 5'3" and the holder is so worn out after 3 months they have to be replaced. I can see it at the OHL and AHL and NHL levels going to practices and games where the players are using these holders. There is extra sideways flexion from the blade giving in the holder. The whole idea I get it makes sense but the quality of the steel is not very good sharpening wise especially the Fusion blades and now the blades are falling out at a higher rate then they had hoped. I say take it off the market till its fixed or scrap it all together!

[Amiroo39 121]

Later on in the video that I saw on TSN, you see the EQM putting a new blade in the skate while Oleksy's on the bench, so if that's the case, the blade broke, and not an issue with the holder.

Then again, he could've tried to put it in, then gone to the locker room. I didn't see the game, so just going by how the video ended.

Bieksa took a clapper from the point, shot was along the ice, and Oleksy blocked it with the middle-ish part of his runners. And you're right, the trainer just snapped another runner back into place for him while he was on the bench. The holder didn't fail, the runner just broke from the blocked shot.

I have seen this the time they came out. Unless they deepen the channel and make the LS2 blade taller this whole idea needs to be scrapped. I could post the video from one of my players skates. The skate movement when clamped is scary how much the blade flexes. She is 130 lbs and 5'3" and the holder is so worn out after 3 months they have to be replaced. I can see it at the OHL and AHL and NHL levels going to practices and games where the players are using these holders. There is extra sideways flexion from the blade giving in the holder. The whole idea I get it makes sense but the quality of the steel is not very good sharpening wise especially the Fusion blades and now the blades are falling out at a higher rate then they had hoped. I say take it off the market till its fixed or scrap it all together!

More and more NHLers are in the ls edge holders, and if I remember correctly almost all the players from one team who use TUUKS have the ls edge (St. Louis?). Last night Backstrom was in them, same with Ovi to name a few. Players were having problems with their runners/holder before the ls edge came out, I just think the whole concept of breaking your runners is magnified due to the new technology.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

They may have had problems however these are far worse. They are similar to the old Tuuks when the 2 bolts rusted and were worn. This is an issue!

And it does not matter to me if the whole NHL is using it. It is still not as good a system as the previous one.

If you are getting sent skates with the new holder on would you take the time to change them? I know a few guys this summer that got the new holder when they requested the old system.

[AIREAYE 248]

Some guys don't want the extra 3mm height. I know of one as an example who was tall enough; he switched out the LSE for Quikblades!

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Some guys don't want the extra 3mm height. I know of one as an example who was tall enough; he switched out the LSE for Quikblades!

Quickblades are far better. And you can use Step in them as well.

[jimmy 194]

Bauer Steel is inferior, plain and simple. Doesn't matter the attachment system, the blades are going to break. I find it funny that a company that produced crappy steel, would make a attachment system that allows such crappy steel to be replaced so easily. Same company whose profits are up past quarter mainly because of "replacement blades sales".

[Souldriver 64]

Honestly at this point in hockey they really should have a way to perfect or nearly perfect the runners not coming out. this used to be a rare occurrence and now. With the way they're popping out now there is bound to be a big accident ready to happen. Blade falls out, slap shot ready to go.. ouch. I know these things arnt supposed to be permanent, but there are ways to keep them in until you want them to come out.

[DarkStar50 679]

Yes, this is crazy. I watch NASCAR all the time and Goodyear tires never blow out in auto racing!!

Now since everyone here is skating on an NHL level, I think we have even more to be concerned about.

When is it going to end?

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Honestly at this point in hockey they really should have a way to perfect or nearly perfect the runners not coming out. this used to be a rare occurrence and now. With the way they're popping out now there is bound to be a big accident ready to happen. Blade falls out, slap shot ready to go.. ouch. I know these things arnt supposed to be permanent, but there are ways to keep them in until you want them to come out.

This is the first instance at the NHL level. I don't see how this is an epidemic. I certainly haven't seen any cases at the retail level, in my store.

[AIREAYE 248]

No problems on the retail front that I've seen so far. Like JR said, no reason to panic.

As an aside, I hate how people think that there's a problem with a stick's durability if a couple people start to complain about it. Maybe such simple irrationality is what irks me lol

[SCOMPL 14]

I just received my LS Edge holders today. Here is a close-up of the internals of the latching mechanism: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75086194/IMG_1216.JPG

The light grey piece is the trigger that extends outside the holder. The black piece is a plastic spring which is only allowed to flex maybe 1/8". The metal piece in the rear is a set screw to keep the plastic in position.

There's not much that can go wrong with the latching mechanism. Eventually the plastic spring may wear out if you change blades frequently, but I'd bet it will still outlast the boot.

[DarkStar50 679]

Sorry Jeff if my internet sarcasm was a bit too ............

but if after 482 NHL games this season among 330 + NHL players using Edge holders, this video and your personal experience with a player is the sample we take to consider this set up as a failure, then so be it............

I'm with JR on this one. At retail, problems have been non-existent after an April 2013 entry into the marketplace.

I don't have a dog in this fight with Bauer anyway.

Just my 2 cents.........

[Souldriver 64]

This is the first instance at the NHL level. I don't see how this is an epidemic. I certainly haven't seen any cases at the retail level, in my store.

Yes but I'm not saying just for this type of combo or just this level of play. I mean in general, it's kind of the "we put a man into space why can't we xx." argument.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

I don't know what you're saying.

[Souldriver 64]

Ahhh forget it, it an opinion/argument that I'm not that invested in..... And my phone battery is low

[ID Rollerpop 4]

This is the first instance at the NHL level. I don't see how this is an epidemic. I certainly haven't seen any cases at the retail level, in my store.

JR was the stamkos incident from Pittsburg on the 12th a different holder?

[Goonsquad 209]

Sorry Jeff if my internet sarcasm was a bit too ............

but if after 482 NHL games this season among 330 + NHL players using Edge holders, this video and your personal experience with a player is the sample we take to consider this set up as a failure, then so be it............

I'm with JR on this one. At retail, problems have been non-existent after an April 2013 entry into the marketplace.

I don't have a dog in this fight with Bauer anyway.

Just my 2 cents.........

I like the innovation, but with any new bell and whistle on top of a good thing is something else to go wrong, but that's what was said of power windows. Now a days its hard to find a car that has a crank to lower/raise a window.

I am still curious at what broke. Unless someone knows the trainer or the person who has the piece of broken steel we may never find out.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

JR was the stamkos incident from Pittsburg on the 12th a different holder?

First I've heard of it. Any video?

[cemetery 14]

First I've heard of it. Any video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GQGlRuS-4Y

[jere26 5]

Just watched the Stamkos video (thanks, cemetary). I'm pretty sure those were not Edge holders. The black trigger on the Edge holder is very distinctive, even on TV. I could see them on the official's skates.