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Sparx Skate Sharpener - At home sharpener

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yes it's hockeymonkey.eu and hps-sport-shop.de.

Don't get my wrong guys I love the Sparx.

I'm just a bit fed up with the resellers due to the fact that they for sure get favorable pricing from Sparx and all they have to pay is their local sales tax.

I've even imported the Sparx machine myself and there's basically no customs fee or tax on the sharpener (1,7%) and on the sharpening stones(0%). The high shipping costs for consumers, which of course are a given thing, are making it tough for me to order the rings directly from Sparx Hockey.

I do really hope Sparx will someday establish their own facility in Europe because the product is excellent and the whole team seems to be focused on making good skate sharpening available for everyone. As it stands, I do believe going the reseller route won't help them in the long term especially concerning accessories and spare parts like grinding rings:-)

Anyway, let's see the positive side of it , I now have even edges:D

 

Can you guys confirm that the PS grinding rings are working in the ES100 unit?

happy new year and thanks a lot!

 

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18 hours ago, Leif said:

I can only reiterate what has been said before, one pass is enough to sharpen blades with no damage. New blades may need 10 passes and when I bought some blades, I had the shop,  do them for me as the sharpen was free and it saved me wearing out my ring. Yes rings cost a small fortune for Europeans, but hey ho, such is life. I bought my machine from Sweden almost one year ago, and it is fricken amazing. We do pay a lot compared to Americans but the European alternative is the ProSharp Home and that costs even more. 

If you sharpen a lot of skates, a standard sharpening machine maybe the way to go as the cost per pass on a Sparx is about 50 pence UK. 

As long as you keeping the same hollow.

I usually done one or two passes to freshen up my edges. If I am cutting a new hollow, I start with four and work from there. My daughters skates (used, but never sharpened) took six passes.

The one or two passes after a few hours of ice time has yielded amazing ring life. I highly recommend this approach.

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7 minutes ago, stick9 said:

As long as you keeping the same hollow.

I usually done one or two passes to freshen up my edges. If I am cutting a new hollow, I start with four and work from there. My daughters skates (used, but never sharpened) took six passes.

The one or two passes after a few hours of ice time has yielded amazing ring life. I highly recommend this approach.

thanks stick really appreciate the fact that 1 or 2 passes after every few hours of ice time yielded good results. Some of my teammates refuse to sharpen their skates for half the season:-) that's why I had to use 8 cycles in order to rebuild the hollow on most of their skates.

Also good to know that 4 passes will be enough when changing the radius of hollow.👍 The manual states something like 10 passes...

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1 hour ago, lfc26 said:

thanks stick really appreciate the fact that 1 or 2 passes after every few hours of ice time yielded good results. Some of my teammates refuse to sharpen their skates for half the season:-) that's why I had to use 8 cycles in order to rebuild the hollow on most of their skates.

Also good to know that 4 passes will be enough when changing the radius of hollow.👍 The manual states something like 10 passes...

I’ve gotten away with two passes when changing the hollow. Obviously this is for going between very similar hollows. Just in case you’ve not read earlier posts, mark the hollow with a sharpie before sharpening, that way you’ll know if you haven’t done enough passes. 

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3 hours ago, lfc26 said:

yes it's hockeymonkey.eu and hps-sport-shop.de.

Thanks, the German shop is much cheaper than t’other. Sadly they don’t have 1/2” rings which is what I use. 

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3 hours ago, Leif said:

Thanks, the German shop is much cheaper than t’other. Sadly they don’t have 1/2” rings which is what I use. 

thanks for the sharpie trick!.yes the german shop doesn't add the VAT tax rate that's why they are cheaper. During the order process it will be added unfortunately. same 80$ price...

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On 1/1/2020 at 6:28 AM, lfc26 said:

Costs per grinding ring in Europe are around 80$=73€ and shipping adds another 15$....

Have you considered using a reshipper like myus? For example it's around $15 for 2kgs to Europe and with a US drop box you can now shop at US local prices.

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1 hour ago, Vet88 said:

Have you considered using a reshipper like myus? For example it's around $15 for 2kgs to Europe and with a US drop box you can now shop at US local prices.

hey vet88 thanks for the idea. I've already considered it while buying the sharpener and it really saved me a few bucks. I just don't want to go through the whole process everytime I'm running out of grinding rings.

The pricing for the PS100 rings is about 6$ less on the monkeysports.eu website which would be acceptable given the additional sales tax of 20% and the costs of shipping to europe.

I just can't find any information anywhere on custom grinding rings specifically made for the PS100 machine. To me it looks like the reseller tries to establish two price policies for potential consumer and business orders.

https://www.monkeysports.eu/sparx-60/sparx-ps100-radius-ring

https://www.monkeysports.eu/sparx-60/sparx-es100-radius-ring

Don't get me wrong guys this is not really about a few bucks. It's about resellers messing with customers and Sparx officially telling me that these rings aren't compatible with the consumer ES100 unit, although there's no indication on the Sparx website for it. Maybe I'm on to something here...

If that turns out to be true, maybe there's also a difference in the number of doable cycles or the mileage between consumer and business grinding rings?😱

One thing is for sure, I'm curious now.

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17 hours ago, Vet88 said:

😲😲😲 the price of a sparx unit from ms europe, wtf.....

yes indeed:-) and then they are selling the rings for 80$ and you are left wondering whether or not your able to save at least 5 bucks per ring by buying the so called  "PS100 grinding rings"😋

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20 hours ago, Vet88 said:

😲😲😲 the price of a sparx unit from ms europe, wtf.....

Tell me about it. However even at the extortionate price we pay, in my case this box will pay for itself in three years with one skater (me). Imagine if you have a family, it’s a real boon. And I get perfect edges and the profile is not ruined. 

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2 minutes ago, Leif said:

Tell me about it. However even at the extortionate price we pay, in my case this box will pay for itself in three years with one skater (me). Imagine if you have a family, it’s a real boon. And I get perfect edges and the profile is not ruined. 

true story. In my case, I hope the machine is going to last at least  for 3 years of team use:D

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hey guys I'm going to order the ES rings and PS rings tomorrow for testing purposes. I'm also going to try to decompile the code on the rings. I'm a bit triggered now...

Does anyone know if the PS100 rings will last for more cycles compared to the ES100 rings? Would save me some work! Thanks!

Edit: ok I've found something! looks like both versions are limited to around 320 cycles. I've found the packaging of the commercial rings which states 40 skate pair sharpenings as well. Let's try if they are compatible!:-)

commercial vs. consumer rings @ 2min 32sec

As it stands the packaging for the commercial version just seems a bit rougher. Don't think there's a difference atm! I'll keep you guys updated!

 

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I don't think Sparx sells any Cross Grind rings for the consumer ES100 model in North America. They pulled that product from the market early in it's life after issues reported from the amount of swarf it created and the resulting fire hazard I believe.

 

 

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8 hours ago, colins said:

 

I don't think Sparx sells any Cross Grind rings for the consumer ES100 model in North America. They pulled that product from the market early in it's life after issues reported from the amount of swarf it created and the resulting fire hazard I believe.

 

 

I believe so too. They changed the looks of the cross grinding rings quite a bit. The original cross grinding rings had "cross grinding" written on them. The newer PS100 have "XG" written and the colour scheme changed. I don't believe the PS100 commercial "XG" cross grinding rings are compatible with the ES100.

Would be interesting to know if the radius rings are interchangeable at least. We'll find out...

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On 1/1/2020 at 9:25 AM, stick9 said:

As long as you keeping the same hollow.

I usually done one or two passes to freshen up my edges. If I am cutting a new hollow, I start with four and work from there. My daughters skates (used, but never sharpened) took six passes.

The one or two passes after a few hours of ice time has yielded amazing ring life. I highly recommend this approach.

Every time I do the marker test, 2 roundtrips is enough for me when changing hollows. 

Am I missing something? 

In other news, tried out 5/8 fire ring and now I own a 5/8 fire ring. 😀

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2 hours ago, pgeorgan said:

Every time I do the marker test, 2 roundtrips is enough for me when changing hollows. 

Am I missing something? 

In other news, tried out 5/8 fire ring and now I own a 5/8 fire ring. 😀

I think it depends largely on how big of a change in hollow you're cutting. When I go between 11/16 and 3/4 I can do it in less than 4 passes. 

 

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Howdy,

6 hours ago, pgeorgan said:

Every time I do the marker test, 2 roundtrips is enough for me when changing hollows. 

Am I missing something? 

In other news, tried out 5/8 fire ring and now I own a 5/8 fire ring. 😀

I'm not entirely convinced that this is a great method to determine if you've cut the whole edge.  I wonder if the material coming off steel "scrubs" the marker away.  But I've never tried to make a large radius change with only a single pass or something to test it.

Mark

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9 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

I had a friend testPS100 rings on an ES100 today and it will n ot recognize them.... 

Hi SkateWorksPNW!,

thanks to both of you for doing that!

You guys really helped me a lot... I was on the verge of ordering ES100 and PS100 rings for testing purposes today.

Anyway, I'm really curious now why they are strictly separating the rings on a firmware level... really thinking about digging deeper into it.

Do they look any different? According to the video posted above it looks like both rings are capable of sharpening 40 pair of skates, so why ban them from being used on both machines when they deliver the same sharpening results?

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11 minutes ago, marka said:

Howdy,

I'm not entirely convinced that this is a great method to determine if you've cut the whole edge.  I wonder if the material coming off steel "scrubs" the marker away.  But I've never tried to make a large radius change with only a single pass or something to test it.

Mark

I completely agree. Having the marker removed may not necessarily mean that you've reached the desired depth appropriate for the chosen radius ring. It just means that you are removing the painted "layer"

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21 minutes ago, lfc26 said:

Hi SkateWorksPNW!,

thanks to both of you for doing that!

You guys really helped me a lot... I was on the verge of ordering ES100 and PS100 rings for testing purposes today.

Anyway, I'm really curious now why they are strictly separating the rings on a firmware level... really thinking about digging deeper into it.

Do they look any different? According to the video posted above it looks like both rings are capable of sharpening 40 pair of skates, so why ban them from being used on both machines when they deliver the same sharpening results?

Maybe to avoid reselling rings to end consumers by owners of PS100's

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34 minutes ago, massive74 said:

Maybe to avoid reselling rings to end consumers by owners of PS100's

As it looks, the margin on consumer and commercial rings is 10% at most. It would only make sense if there's a difference in the total number of doable cycles or the quality of sharpenings which hopefully isn't  the case.

I really hope your implications are right and they aren't delivering a completely different product...

Anyway, thanks to all of you for your help!

I'm going to order the consumer rings for now while trying to dig deeper on the firmware side of things:-) I'm a tinkerer can't help myself:-)

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1 hour ago, lfc26 said:

Hi SkateWorksPNW!,

thanks to both of you for doing that!

You guys really helped me a lot... I was on the verge of ordering ES100 and PS100 rings for testing purposes today.

Anyway, I'm really curious now why they are strictly separating the rings on a firmware level... really thinking about digging deeper into it.

Do they look any different? According to the video posted above it looks like both rings are capable of sharpening 40 pair of skates, so why ban them from being used on both machines when they deliver the same sharpening results?

They are exactly the same, the packaging is different and the NFC codes apparently are different as well. 

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