New Bauer 3D Scanning/Custom Offerings

[pgeorgan 76]

I'm hearing on Reddit that Bauer has revamped their scanning process and improved their custom skate offerings, to be debuted alongside the new Bauer Shadows. Can anyone confirm this? 

Edited April 21 by pgeorgan

[mojo122 535]

Bauer/Aetrex

[pgeorgan 76]

14 hours ago, mojo122 said:

Bauer/Aetrex

Orthotics? Interesting. I was hoping it had more to do with customization of the boot. 

[flip12 714]

2 hours ago, pgeorgan said:

Orthotics? Interesting. I was hoping it had more to do with customization of the boot. 

The guy at the LHS said it’s also supposed to improve scan precision. I tried the current scanner for the first time and I found its suggestion to be at least a full size too big.

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[pgeorgan 76]

10 minutes ago, flip12 said:

The guy at the LHS said it’s also supposed to improve scan precision. I tried the current scanner for the first time and I found its suggestion to be at least a full size too big.

I had a similar experience. Im an even size in one foot, quarter size in the other, so the machine rounds to the nearest half size. Thing is, my one foot is most definitely not a quarter size. So the machine had both feet in a half-size too large.

Perhaps the results might've been different if I had gotten scanned more than once, however. 

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[VegasHockey 1280]

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[drmFF33 1]

On 4/22/2024 at 11:32 AM, VegasHockey said:

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Very curious about the ‘Pro Custom’. 
 

I ended up with custom Hyperlite 2’s last season but they still don’t fit absolutely perfect. I have started to generate a bit of heel lift now that they have broken in. Can’t wear superfeet because of a collapsed arch in my one foot. 
 

Have very odd feet that are extremely wide in the forefoot, high instep, and a very narrow heel/ankle wrap. Forced me into a FIT3 to accommodate for width. 
 

Thanks for the info. 

[Leif 161]

On 4/21/2024 at 2:50 PM, pgeorgan said:

I'm hearing on Reddit that Bauer has revamped their scanning process and improved their custom skate offerings, to be debuted alongside the new Bauer Shadows. Can anyone confirm this? 

I heard from a local shop that Speedplates are being replaced with something more custom, but they didn’t know details then. They were due to fly to Sweden I think, for a Bauer presentation. I bought some discounted Speedplates while they were still available (not from that shop, they weren’t trying to get me to buy). They also seemed quite impressed by the new Bauer sharpener, but didn’t know the price. 

[pgeorgan 76]

On 4/22/2024 at 2:32 PM, VegasHockey said:

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MANY THANKS! 

[pgeorgan 76]

9 minutes ago, Leif said:

I heard from a local shop that Speedplates are being replaced with something more custom, but they didn’t know details then. They were due to fly to Sweden I think, for a Bauer presentation. I bought some discounted Speedplates while they were still available (not from that shop, they weren’t trying to get me to buy). They also seemed quite impressed by the new Bauer sharpener, but didn’t know the price. 

Ya the reddit post alluded to custom orthotics, and the link to Aetrex from @mojo122 seems to confirm. I might have a use case for that, but to be honest the Speedplate 2.0 is very very nice imo. 

Edit: looking at the document from @VegasHockey, the orthotics actually look pretty cool when paired with the Aetrex. I did not realize the base of the Aetrex was soft and conforms to your foot. Although you have 3 options of orthotics, so if you've been skating long enough you can probably guess which one you'd need. 

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[VegasHockey 1280]

57 minutes ago, pgeorgan said:

Ya the reddit post alluded to custom orthotics, and the link to Aetrex from @mojo122 seems to confirm. I might have a use case for that, but to be honest the Speedplate 2.0 is very very nice imo. 

Edit: looking at the document from @VegasHockey, the orthotics actually look pretty cool when paired with the Aetrex. I did not realize the base of the Aetrex was soft and conforms to your foot. Although you have 3 options of orthotics, so if you've been skating long enough you can probably guess which one you'd need. 

Bauer wants to move into the orthotic market as they feel the Speed Plate didn't get the market share penetration they expected.

I personally like the Speed Plate as it provides great feedback, and dislike soft orthotics.

TRUE also has a new orthotic which is nice, but It's also too soft for my liking.

However, I think the general population prefer soft orthotics... 

[pgeorgan 76]

18 minutes ago, VegasHockey said:

Bauer wants to move into the orthotic market as they feel the Speed Plate didn't get the market share penetration they expected.

I personally like the Speed Plate as it provides great feedback, and dislike soft orthotics.

TRUE also has a new orthotic which is nice, but It's also too soft for my liking.

However, I think the general population prefer soft orthotics... 

I, too, prefer the Speedplate. A custom orthotic in the way of a Speedplate would be preferred. I did try the True orthotic when I demoed a pro stock pair of their top custom line. I did not really care for it. 

[mojo122 535]

The original SpeedPlate was nice but prone to breaking.  Second generation just didn't work well with some skate models.  My understanding from someone in the athletic footwear industry is that a footbed with some give is better than a rigid one from a biometrical standpoint.

[BenBreeg 493]

TBH, buying footbeds separate seems like an upsell when you are in the store.  If their position is the skate would be best with it, the skate should come with it, especially as you get to the higher price points.

when my son was in youth and junior skates, the Pure associate would automatically bring over Superfeet and try to upsell them.  So a parent is buying $200ish skates and here comes a kid telling them, “they really should get these because the stock footbed isn’t that good”, by the way, that adds another 25% to your total.

[Leif 161]

4 hours ago, BenBreeg said:

TBH, buying footbeds separate seems like an upsell when you are in the store.  If their position is the skate would be best with it, the skate should come with it, especially as you get to the higher price points.

when my son was in youth and junior skates, the Pure associate would automatically bring over Superfeet and try to upsell them.  So a parent is buying $200ish skates and here comes a kid telling them, “they really should get these because the stock footbed isn’t that good”, by the way, that adds another 25% to your total.

I was chatting to one of the owners of our local hockey shop, he said he hated Speedplates, and loved Superfeet. I loathe Superfeet, I find them very uncomfortable. Speedplates on the other hand are amazing as they dramatically improve comfort and ice feel. Basically they’re best to leave it to the customer to decide. 

[Sniper9 529]

Another speedplate guy here. Superfeet are ok. I liked them better when they just had the one yellow hockey model. The comfort is too soft and the carbon has too much heel lift. I actually prefer stock insoles than the current superfeet options. 

[VegasHockey 1280]

8 hours ago, BenBreeg said:

TBH, buying footbeds separate seems like an upsell when you are in the store.  If their position is the skate would be best with it, the skate should come with it, especially as you get to the higher price points.

When my son was in youth and junior skates, the Pure associate would automatically bring over Superfeet and try to upsell them.  So a parent is buying $200ish skates and here comes a kid telling them, “they really should get these because the stock footbed isn’t that good”, by the way, that adds another 25% to your total.

Agreed.

Like in most sale associate roles, workers are spoon-fed that upselling is for the benefit of the customer, hence why Pure will try to sell customers skate insoles and "Level 2" sharpening. 

17 hours ago, pgeorgan said:

I, too, prefer the Speedplate. A custom orthotic in the way of a Speedplate would be preferred. I did try the True orthotic when I demoed a pro stock pair of their top custom line. I did not really care for it. 

I think TRUE should have gone with a significantly stiffer insole that compliments the design of the skate and provides more feedback. TRUE skates are known for providing players a very connected feel, and the new insole seems to dampen that feedback. This is counterintuitive.  

[BenBreeg 493]

1 hour ago, VegasHockey said:

Agreed.

Like in most sale associate roles, workers are spoon-fed that upselling is for the benefit of the customer, hence why Pure will try to sell customers skate insoles and "Level 2" sharpening. 

I first saw the sharpening level sign last month.  I really had to try and figure out what the hell it was even trying to say…

I still drive 30 minutes to get them hand sharpened by the figure skating guru in town.  $9 and he just raised his price from $5 which it was for like 10 years.  We are lucky to have him and Binnie although both are far from me and Binnie is drop off only so that makes two round trips.

[drmFF33 1]

Anyone have any info on the ‘pro custom’ option mentioned in page 14?

On 4/22/2024 at 11:32 AM, VegasHockey said:

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[VegasHockey 1280]

5 hours ago, drmFF33 said:

Anyone have any info on the ‘pro custom’ option mentioned in page 14?

 

What would you like to know? It explains everything on the document. 

The second tier, PRO CUSTOM, allows the player to fully customize the specs of their skates, just like the pros. Here, they will have quarter-size length options for each foot, as well as ankle padding, eyelets, facing, toe caps, stretching, holders, steel, tongue, color, and personalization options. 

[pgeorgan 76]

On 4/24/2024 at 7:37 PM, mojo122 said:

The original SpeedPlate was nice but prone to breaking.  Second generation just didn't work well with some skate models.  My understanding from someone in the athletic footwear industry is that a footbed with some give is better than a rigid one from a biometrical standpoint.

Bauer models? Not really sure about that...

[VegasHockey 1280]

On 4/24/2024 at 4:37 PM, mojo122 said:

My understanding from someone in the athletic footwear industry is that a footbed with some give is better than a rigid one from a biometrical standpoint.

I don't think this applies to ice skates. 

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[GoalForFun 176]

On 4/26/2024 at 4:49 AM, VegasHockey said:

What would you like to know? It explains everything on the document. 

The second tier, PRO CUSTOM, allows the player to fully customize the specs of their skates, just like the pros. Here, they will have quarter-size length options for each foot, as well as ankle padding, eyelets, facing, toe caps, stretching, holders, steel, tongue, color, and personalization options. 

Funny that Bauer used to offer this, then did away with it, and now that CCM has been doing it since the first gen Jetspeed Bauer is bringing it back.

[pgeorgan 76]

22 hours ago, VegasHockey said:

I don't think this applies to ice skates. 

The Speedplate 2.0 does have *some* give in the way of the foot pad. Not as much as in the True custom but still. 

[pgeorgan 76]

31 minutes ago, GoalForFun said:

Funny that Bauer used to offer this, then did away with it, and now that CCM has been doing it since the first gen Jetspeed Bauer is bringing it back.

Why is that funny. Seems like they're just responding to market conditions and market demand. Honestly I doubt it's a large percentage of either companies profits, but if people want to pay through the nose for a different foam padding, so be it. 

In my opinion, they should just do what the goalie market has been doing for years, which is offer total customization for no extra cost. The gear already costs a fortune, and people pay it. The fact that player skates don't use a similar model just tells me the demand isn't there. Most players just aren't that picky. 

Edited April 28 by pgeorgan