There are a lot of "strong personalities" on here that can sometimes jump you if you suggest something that is different from what they believe. I was simply trying to provide a convincing (and hopefully non-confrontational) argument to back up what Chadd said about them not being degrees (in the sense of trigonometric angles). In my line of work, degrees mean degrees, so I held the belief for a long time that the Mako had 3° (in the trigonometric sense) because that is what I read. I had convinced myself a year ago (when I had my Mako's pitch reduced slightly by 0.5/32nds on a Blackstone machine) that they couldn't possibly be degrees in the trigonometric sense. I tend to think about things like this in great detail so I appreciate having a true understanding of what is going on. I generally assume there are some others on here that are interested in trying to understand things to that same level of detail. Even still, since I first joined the forum, I have learned to apply a filter to the things I post, because I'd rather avoid the feather ruffling.