They are right at 3 years of playing 2-3 times a week for 1.5 hours each and for two of those years coaching squirt/bantam twice a week (I don't think the coaching took much out of them). I had the "flexible" tendon guards if that makes any difference. I know that I could probably take them someplace and have them make a hole in the back of the tendon guards and put new rivets in, and I may do that so that I can have them as a backup pair. They still feel as great and the same stiffness as when I got them. I NEVER kicked them off by the tendon guard and I USUALLY put them on a dryer with forced air, but I would get lazy probably 1 out of every 6 times or so, so I probably didn't help the tendon guard rivet any by doing that. They were from when they had exposed carbon fiber on the toe and still had the VH logo on them. They have gotten REALLY ugly with the CF getting scraped up and marred up and the "leather" looking pieces getting rubbed off in spots and some stitches popped etc., but I still consider them as solid as they day I bought them (except for the tendon guard thing). On the other hand, I was playing with a guy from the St. Louis Jr. Blues (an NA3HL Juniors team) the other night who wore them and I asked him if that was his first pair and he said that it was his third. I asked him how frequently he gets a pair and he said he gets a new pair each season (maybe he has rich parents or something). It is probably true that I was just looking for an excuse to get a new pair. And in fact, I can and will still wear these for the 3-4 weeks it takes to get my new ones. Even though I can fold the tendon guards way back with my feet out of the skates, because of the material on the back that is still sort of holding them in place, there is enough tendon guard below the rivet that my ankle still holds them upright when my foot is in. For what it's worth, one of the new Van Horne/True videos shows that the repair of that rivet is a little easier on the new True model. There is a cap that you can get off to access the rivet for replacement. I was buying top of the line skates anyway (guess the old more dollars than sense thing considering I'm an old beer leaguer) so it's not THAT much more money. I went from CCM Vector Pros to CCM Crazy Lights to Makos to VH. The difference between the Makos and the Crazy Lights was so profound that I decided then and there that I never wanted to go back to a "ski boot" type skate. My feet were getting KILLED by blocked shots in the Makos though so I switched to VH when the CF on the underside of the toe of my Makos started separating. I don't think I could go back to Bauer or CCM until they start offering models that don't do the ski boot thing.