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Nope, Supremes definitely have a more neutral pitch. Many posters here have complained about the feeling of being back on their heels when they switched to new Supremes. I can't say for sure if it's the boot or the holder, because I had that feeling when I went from NXGs to MX3s, both Supremes, with the only change being the holder. I'd imagine that going from a non-Edge Vapor to an Edge Supreme would be an even more dramatic change. I have no idea. DO a quick search on here for "shim" and I'm sure the answer is out there. Maybe someone more experienced with this than me can help you out. I can't imagine that it would be more than a few bucks. Rivets are $1-2 each, and the shims can't be that much. I'd expect something in the $20 range maybe? It doesn't affect the profile, it will tilt you forward to get you off your heels and more of the feeling that you had in the Vapors. So if your Supremes are a 0 in terms of pitch, your Vapors may have been a +2 forward. The Quad 0 is giving you back close to a +1, but you're still behind what you had before. You can have the profile put on at an angle to alter the pitch, without altering the profile or adding shims. But I feel Shims are the better method. EDIT: Or you can just wait for JR to reply and answer everything more accurately than I can. lol

I suspected this was the case. Supreme skates (or possibly even the edge holder) have a neutral pitch to them. Your Vapors had a more forward pitch. So the backwards lean you're feeling is because of the pitch of the skate, not the profile. The best way of fixing that is to have shims placed in the heel of your skate to give you a more forward lean.

You probably want to start at 1/16". It's usually the thinnest you'll find, and would put you on a +1 on a Supreme - as previously stated, Supreme tends to be heel-happy. This gets it to neutral and then one up. Every pitch increment is 1/32". I offer it. I charge $15, but you're responsible for shipping back and forth. Might be easier to find someone local, but then again, most don't do it. You're pitching the boot. Profile stays the same.

What is your new skate? That could be causing the problem instead of the profile.

Sorry to hear, Dave.

The quad 0 is already pitched fwd close to 1. I don't think pitching it more will satisfy you. I would suggest going back to 9' +1 or try 10' +1( or +2) with 5/8 hollow. A third option is a 9/10 dual. You could also try heel inserts to get you on toes but the way I see it, you don't care for the profile.

Yes, you can add that adjustment but I recommend first finding the profile that fits your skating style and then making changes to pitch or moving the balance point.

You can move the counterpoint but I don't think that would help. I won't put myself in the expert category by any means but I've spoken to those that are and what I hear repeated over and over is that you have to try a few different profiles and dial in what really works for you. Stay tuned on MSH for the opportunity!!

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