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Step have not been making the holder for longer than about a year or two. But it is pretty evident that they base the design on Graf Cobra holders. By the way, I am not saying this just because where the retainer screw is, I am actually comparing the runners. In the front, you have an oversize "fin" similar to LS2 or LS3, or Graf, they all basicaly the same with Graf being the largest, LS2 a little smaller, Edge the smallest, but because of the triangular shape, there is no real stress point, so all those should be very strong (and are). If you look at the rear. LS2 and Graf as well as the VH, have a "claw" which receives the retainer lug. Graf and VH runner are basically identical at the rear end, LS3 has a slightly different design. Both sides of the claw are the same and have very small amount of "meet" at the top and are fairly narrow. They are under the retainer screw stress straight up. A good impact in the right space, either snaps one of the off or the lug simply breaks through out from the claw sending the runner flying (as seeing in about a dozen cases during 2015-2016 NHL season and prior). If you look at this claw in Garf or VH, you see that the stress is on the angle, in addition to it, tehre is much more meat on the top half of the claw and the bottom half is basically the runners body and is unbreakable. If you look at Edge, it does not have claw, but instead has a "dog-leg" with fairly pronounced knee which is also is the likely fracture point (any sharp angle in still creates one). Once again, a right impact sends that runner flying (as seeing in a number of incidents during 2016-2017 NHL season). Add ti that a possible wobble problem and it is kind of a compromise between integrity and convenience of quick replacement. Now those are just my observations and opinions, not a certain fact or anything, but the only way I know Graf loose their runners, is after the retainer screw is vibrated unscrewed and out (which I believe is addressed by VH design). Here is the little picture for visual (blacks are the Graf runners, which are also would cover nicely for VH runner whose image I do not have handy)
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I do not know, but I would suspect that in the vision of Scott and the rest of the VH propeller-heads, the combination of VH boot and VH holder would produce an optimum performance (hence they have that available and it is at least implied if not stated). NHL's fascination with Edge holder comes down to simply the convenience of replacing the blades and to Larry's point, NHL has a much different rotation cycle for the holders and blades (or the entire skates for that matter) than an armature player. Looking at the design of both holders/runners, it is pretty obvious that if you get a hefty slapshot in the blade, the VH holder/blade will most likely survive, while Edge will most likely require a surgery. On the other hand how often you get a stiff shot in the holders?
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... just not because it is monoframe, is the point, but nice words catching
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Think about it... It's a boot, not a car. It can not make anything faster. You might be faster and more maneuverable because it is more comfortable and perhaps for some, because it is more supportive, but that would little to do with if it is one-piece or many-piece boot. The boot that will make you faster could be any boot as long as it makes you faster .
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Brandon Dubinsky is now flopping VH tongues.
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I guess he believes on the inside that cowlingless can give him advantage, but he just can not figure out how. His problem is probably lays in boots being too stiff and holder too high. Some skaters live off the boot give, some wish there was none. Not sure if Price will find his way to the cowlingless this time around, but True have got another guy on board, Boone Jenner.
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watch preseason game yesterday ando noticed that more Blue Jackets added to True ranks. Matt Calvert is a new one this year from old line, plus a handful of new commers. It looks like Bobrovski is looking into a change. He was in VH boot and CCM cowling last year, but it looks like he is sporting a one piece VH goalie now.
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look like painters boots... but then again, there are designers and then, there are hockey players.
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tongue is basically the same design as on his brown winter classics ccm skates from 15/16 season.
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how thick do you want them to be?
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Yes, but it also has reinforced and reshaped toecap, different hight of the boot on the inside vs outside, soft comfort edge around the top including tendon v-cut (or whatever it is called). It also has extra protection on the inner side bottom of the boot, boot heel protection (from banging on the posts), more flexible upper edge of the boot. As I said, it is not that the VH goalie skate I saw on the display is bad, it is just feels underdesigned. Maybe less is more, and commonly it is, but for some reason Bauer (as an example) has bothered to add all of these features and went to a length to design the goalie holder.
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When I grabbed the skate off the display, I thought I was holding players skate, until I saw the weird runner setup. Then I noticed that tendon guard is basicaly just gone. Looks to much of a retrofit, as if one took players skates, cut off the tendon guard, and grinded the rocker of the runner leaving what it looks like less than half an inch of steel in the middle (does not look promissing for sparx). I'd say if you order those, send bauer holder in if you think that cowlings are thing of the past. Also as a separate question to you as a goalie, does that rim atop of the toe area tears the edge of the pads up, or the cowling on your current skates covers it enough to protect the pads? so yes, boot is identicle, but as a goalie skate package, it seems a bit under designed.
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I have stopped by monkeys ports and they have true display. It says that boot only costs $110 less, so yes it looks like there is a discount, but obviously, they might charge a mounting fee, which is not mentioned. I liked the holder much more in person than on the photographs here. Dimples are kind of not as in your face. Actually liked the holes cut out. Nice solid feel to the way the runners are in. Very solid feel for the holders overall. Gloves are pretty nice too. The display is pretty good. Goalie skates - meh, bug if they work, they work I guess.
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Not sure if there is a discount on holders or not (probably not as that would make most sense from standpoint of promoting more VH product out), but, I think it would help VH if they'd let you have the VH holders and steel regardless if you opted out or not and offer no discounts. So even if you opted to send Tuuks in, they would mount the Tuuks on the skates and sent you the VH holders and Steel on the side. This way, you can put those in if you change your mind later, or sell them rinkside or whatever. My logic on this is that in a short period of time, there will be loads of random skaters with VH holders simply because people wanted to try the holders and were able to get them from Ebay or rinkside for cheap. Lots of them will love the holders and this creates a pool of future customers that will go with VH holders plus it creates stronger brand awareness. This can be pretty efficient way to take over a market share from other holders/steel manufacturers or at least make a small dent in the competitors revenues while creating VH holders culture. StepSteel will benefit from this as they will sell more steel this way.
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You should check this with other shop. Misfiring is probably not the only symptoms of blown head-gasket. I would imagine that the coolant also will be getting into the cylinder which produces very obvious, white exhaust, like steam.
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Not sure if you are holding me here in contempt of some kind... I am with you on this 100%.
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Yes, I was just suggesting the possible source of the confusion - Internet puctures.
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The website also appears to be a bit too accurate or not so accurate. If you go to skates->True, you will find way shorter list than you'do suspect. As CBJ fan, I miss to see Sedlack, Bjorkstrand, Bobrovsky, Hartnell... at least, probably missing a couple. No goalies in general (Price, McElhinney, Anderson to name a few). Half of KHL probably as well. Obviously, these perhaps wear VH skates not True... in which case the site is too particular, or it is simply based upon the limited pool that they draw out of the Hockey world at random. So I was kind of "yey.. cool site", but now - not so sure.
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... or from something like http://www.skaterescueservice.com/step-runners-for-vh-skate-holder-blacksteel/ (Is it NoIcing?)
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Not sure about the question. But on a slim chance that you do not know this, True holder will not fit LS Edge runners. True holders use their own design of runners (looks somewhat similar to Graf). If you are looking for True holder Black Step steel, I think you'd have to order that from Step as a special order.
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https://goo.gl/images/GBtLUF This one looks like 335, but somehow, I doubt that it is.
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I think tracing foot is not a rocket science, but it needs to be shown and verified by someone who knows how. I would think a minimal training (show and check) will produce a better tracer than a guy at home watching a youtube clip. Plus It is easier to trace someone else's foot than your own just due to where the point of view is. IMO smart move on VH behalf. Of course they should have an option of self tracing open for people who leave in BFE.
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Are you sure these were not goalie VH? Goalie VH are pretty low and non-uniform and might be hard to camp, but players VH are pretty normal. I see Cobras or CXN steel be profiled to as much as -3 to offset the extra positive pitch of the holder, but VH holder is fairly neutral to do this to.
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Sorry that it came out like that, but I have "ignored" the points that were not brought up in my original post. For example the part where you were expanding on how VH skates are built not as per generic last, but molded for each player individually. That had nothing to do with my original post so I did not respond to it. Neither I claimed that VH made the same as Mako, I just said that cheese-cloth texture of the heel reminds me Mako skates. I am familiar with the fact that the each skate is molded for each customer individually. I do agree that it is the only real method to get skater in the skates that fit perfectly, especially if skater has some abnormalities and I appreciate that aspect of the True skates. My original post was purely aesthetics related and all my replies to your follow-ups were (not inappropriately) limited to just that. Aesthetics are subjective topic and as such not a good subject to evolve a conversation around. I did, later, add something about that use of player holder for goalie holder is a miss, but perhaps that was a train gone at that time. That is something that I would like to hear more about. Thanks,
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It just looks like the plastic of the holder is pretty close to the edge on goalie version.
