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On 11/27/2019 at 2:31 AM, HockeyTactics said:So, I mostly play center and would characterise myself as a gritty playmaker. Meaning often times I find myself winning a battle at the boards or making a couple of dekes to beat my opposition and then drawing other opponents on to me which opens up nice passing options. Currently i am using a p28 which i like for the nice pocket and its deking potential, aswell as the toe shooting. But my feeling is, that this isn't the strongest passing blade since i am strugling with nice consistent saucer passes.
Since i am pretty tall I like to play with a long stick which helps with intercepting passes in the neutral zone and shielding the puck away from the opposition. Therefore i need a long blade with a lower lie.
I am not really a good finisher so my shot isn't really my greatest weapon. Still sometimes i get a really solid shot away. Most of the times it's a wrister because of the time and space you get but my slapshot on possible one timers is the more threatening weapon. Where i get the feeling that the p28 might not be the most benefitial. But around 60-70% of my goals come from in close when I have beaten a defender to the net or from my net front presence.
P28 is a nice passing blade if you sort out where the heel to middle release point is. Usually it’s possible to launch a saucer pass heel to toe, especially with the degree of loft on blades like the Drury. I’m pretty sure that’s the main reason for there being so much loft on the blade. The P28 still has vestiges of that origin: it’s an open heel curve until it turns into a mid-toe curve. The rub lies in the aggressiveness of the rocker on the toe. This means you can’t wait until the puck is at the toe to launch a sweeping saucer pass or shot starting from the heel. You have to release before you reach the toe, just beyond the middle of the blade.
Before you go trying different curves, see if you can expand what you’re comfortable with using the P28 for. Just practice the saucer standing still, super soft motions, almost no pressure on the stick. Do a few sets of five or six pucks in a row and see if you can feel where the puck wants to release. I did this when I was struggling with my Ville Leino SE16. It’s basically a Kovalevized P28: lower lie, max-length blade, but similar idea. Once I found the sweeping sweet spot I didn’t have fluttering saucer passes anymore. My shooting also improved, so I could finally shoot from either the heel or the toe, no problem.
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5 hours ago, mtn said:A few things...
1: Can anyone link the VT Testing method thread? Would like to read through it. Incidentally, with the MIPS I expect it to do well in the test... I'm just not sure how much that matters, although from a physics POV it makes sense to me.
2: I've heard that folks have been having a hard time getting a cage to fit it. Anyone have any insight on that, as well as a visor?
3: Is the True logo on this bucket painted on, glued on, or what? I like to take a razor blade and/or nail polish remover to my buckets.
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10 hours ago, oldtrainerguy28 said:Actually I have stated numerous times about the sub standard or incorrect head forms they are using that do not meet the standard of which all other bodies use to test the helmets. They have made up there own forms and used neck forms that are made for other helmets and other sports. Cant be much clearer than that.
Yeah, you've stated so much, but only vaguely. Can you be more specific? What is the downfall of their approach or their setup? How are their head forms substandard? Did they make their own head forms or did they use ones typically used for other sports? I'm actually not clear on what you're saying which is why I keep hoping you'll elaborate.
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9 hours ago, oldtrainerguy28 said:Ya cause the VT test means anything when it comes to safety. Completely useless and such a croc.
You keep saying that, but never provide any substantial critique of their system. It seems most of your beef with them is that they’re doing things differently.
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9 hours ago, BMcDonald19 said:Warrior told me their W28 is a lie 4, and all these P28, Pasta/Kuch are all a lie 5. That is likely my issue
Warrior’s famous for measuring their lies a little differently, leading their numbers to be generally 1 lower than other companies. The lie isn’t actually different.
Likewise, P28’s usually are higher than a 5 by the old Easton scale, lining up with the Drury which was a 5.5 on that scale. This leads to absurdities like CCM calling the P28 a lie 5 when it’s actually higher than their P46 which they called a 5.5.
Lie is important, but unfortunately you can’t trust the numbers patterns are assigned. You have to do the comparisons side by side with the actual sticks.
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1 hour ago, Hills said:I was expecting thinner like the old Bauer tongues. These still feel a bit thick for my liking as if I crank the laces I start to get lace bite near my instep. I enjoy the tongue more than the stock one though just for the lower profile.
Wouldn't a thinner tongue be more conducive to lace bite?
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5 hours ago, jared9356 said:As of now it’s my career so I’m on the ice weekly. It’s weekends like last one that hurt (30+ hours on ice between AAA/Junior). But the thing is, I take great care of them. Insoles come out immediately after use and they’re drying directly in front of a fan no later than an hours after each use.
Rusting out. Since the foam has compacted within the last 4/5 months, I’ve had to crank the laces around the instep which has resulted in some of them pulling out.
Did you rebake the skates after the foam compressed?
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51 minutes ago, xstartxtodayx said:I feel like most modern shinguards have thinned out the inner padding so much lately. I had Super Tacks with the D30 or whatever it's called, it was great if you fell exactly on that spot but as we all know, you don't always fall square on the center of your knee. I took a few falls on the upper portion and bruised my knee pretty well since it's essentially thin padding behind the plastic shell. I have since picked up a pair of 8K pro stock shinguards with the thick liner and wow what a difference. The inner padding makes a huge difference and adds a ton more protection all around your knee while not adding much weight or bulk, no wonder so many pros still wear the old Jofa/RBK pads. Sure the d#0 stuff is great if you take a Shea Weber blast straight to the knee cap but for the most part that stuff just seems like marketing nonsense to me.
I’ve wondered if manufacturers have also trended towards lighter or thinner HDPE for the shells too. That way could the pads appear like improved (MORE FEATURES!!! NEW FOAMS!!!) versions of basically the same design we’ve had since Jagr was drafted, while cutting down on the grams. Not that there’s much to complain about the archetypal pads developed by Jofa, it just seems the newer editions are longer on marketing and shorter on performance.
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22 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:2S Pro is actually just as nice as the 1S but has better flexibility. I blocked a shot with the front of my shin by Shane Doan in our Monday night league and lived to talk about it. I am pretty sure if I was wearing my Warrior Alpha shins or Vapors my leg would have been blown apart.
Shane Doan made your shin?
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9 hours ago, boo10 said:Pretty sure you're correct. If you look at the linked video, you can see it is basically a big U clamp around the heel and ankles. The facing and forefoot are not touched.
Yes, that’s exactly the machine I was thinking of. I don’t know what it’s called but it’s in all of the hockey skate factory videos I’ve seen with the exception of VH.
It might not be as apparent that the skate is custom molded for that process unless the order is for someone with a heel that deviates from the norm by quite a bit.
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Maybe they're just molding the heel and lower foot area? That's a common heat molding step in the factory. The standard approach would be to heat mold it to a standard footlast. In this case, they'd be doing it to a custom one. But this isn't the lace-em-up heating that affects the facing. It's the one that presses the boot down around a mold to give it an anatomical shape. The top form would still come after the customer receives them. Look at some hockey skate factory videos and you'll see the process I'm talking about. My guess is that's the forming that's being done, and it would be beneficial to have this rather than the skate take its initial and much more permanent shape from a custom last rather than a standard one, probably more so for some than others.
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8 hours ago, z1ggy said:You sir are correct.
P90T is left most in both photos and is a prostock FT2. Middle is pro stock P28 but I just checked, there's actually no curve marker on the stick, so it could be slightly off compared to retail, which... is the right most stick which is a Warrior DT4 Yakupov curve which is a P28 clone. Here's some better pics:
The only thing I notice is retail P28 on the right has a little more open toe, and it's got a little more curve to it than the other two. I wonder if the Vatrano stick I have is actually a P90T. I read online that many pro's were using that curve for a while but it wasn't really marked as anything. Could just be marked as "toe curve" on sites like PSH. To my eye, they are almost indistinguishable in curve when you compare them to the right-most stick.
Can you post some face and curve pictures of the Vatrano on it’s own?
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5 hours ago, Sniper9 said:Kuchs skates look like they have so much volume.. too much volume for him. But that's just by looking at them.
Maybe he likes a little more room to move over the instep. Before switching to Nexus he wore both Vapor and Supreme, both with the deepest creases I’ve seen since P. Bure.
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Some other potentially more relevant videos are available:
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7 hours ago, shooter27 said:That video was super interesting, but its also super old. Those sticks are very early OPS, circa 2004-2005 and the construction methods have changed completely since then so I don’t know if its applicable to how blades are constructed and shaped today. I’m sure some of the more knowledgeable folks on here can chime in on that.
That being said, in the video the blades are dead straight when the composite is layered on to the blade core. They curve the blades using a mold and heat after the composite has been applied to the core. The core is not pre-shaped into a pattern, the entire blade is shaped after being constructed. I’m not sure exactly how composite can be heated and reshaped on skates but not on sticks. My guess is there are differences in the makeup of the composite and the resins used that cause that difference.
I think composite skates’ thermoformability has a lot to do with the whole sandwich that makes up the boot. At least with the speed skate style boots like True where the exposed composite shell resists thermoforming much more than the covered parts, perhaps there’s something about the shell under the covers not curing completely, allowing it to be activated to a pliable state at the right temperature.
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4 hours ago, All Flash said:Anything but black. Do you only wear black shoes? At the highest level of hockey , presumably the fastest , white for function. Now this only matters at the highest levels because of the speed. Easier to find a black object on a white surface. Any other level , any color , as gaining mere milliseconds in beer league doesn't matter. But for most players it's all linked to learned preference or a deeper issue really. Now the % may vary player to player but in the end.... Slight discrimination. That's why 90% of players always say they will hack and slash , or generally give players a hard time for being different when said players wear 'not' black skates , or white gloves , or a smoked/mirrored visor that make them stick out. Even worse is that some players only accept that player if they are really good but even then .... Hope for the best. Like Monty making fun of my name as it connects to me saying something different then the norm. But I am that guy. Not to mention it seems no one now's why skates should be black. 🤨
Football boots are rainbow colored. They don’t face the same treatment as hockey boots though.
Most of my shoes actually are mostly black. My style is more focused on the form pattern and material palette, letting smart decisions in those categories rising to the surface rather than dressing up an otherwise shoddy pair of footwear. I find it’s often the case that where there’s primary focus on the cosmetic, the rest of the aesthetic is compromised. If the use intention is purely that an object be looked at, then that’s fine. As soon as other concerns come into play, such as fit and longevity are concerns in picking a hockey boot, then my aesthetic considerations will take a fuller input into account: touch becomes primary and smell is also important, especially if it’s a used skate.
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5 hours ago, All Flash said:Skate design needs to move on from black being the primary color IMHO.
What would you like to see instead?
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Some recent stills of Kuch's (same star) new boots. The more I see them, the more they look like the outsole really has crept up onto the quarters, cupping the midfoot and heel.
My thought is, this is Bauer's initial response to the VH/True and CCM monocoque boots. They look like Bauer's interpretation of the Mako is finally here. Even some of the lines of the Mako are still there: of course there's the newer, sleeker toe cap that's already known from the Vapor lineup, but the wrap on Kuch's boots is reminiscent of the Makos (though with more negative space involved in this instance) as is the thick seam where the exposed composite met the plastic wrapping the Makos. In this case it looks like an inversion of its predecessor: instead of the shell of the boot going from exposed to covered as it did on the Mako, the shell of this stealthpreme still appears to be a "two-piece" boot construction with the composite quarters married to the outsole so that the prominent seam marks the end of the outsole's incursion up the rearward sides of the boot.
This makes sense. If it's a viable design, it could allow Bauer to reap similar perceived benefits of the monocoque construction ("perceived" because there are plenty of both yay and naysayers) while minimizing the degree to which they have to alter their construction methods. It can't really be a question of developing their own monocoque boot from scratch, since they own the IP for the Mako. This looks to be Bauer staying true to their ways, which still has them in a fairly comfortable lead in market share if I'm not mistaken, while attempting to fend off competition that has eaten somewhat into that market share of late.
My experience in a monocoque boot (MLX) has made me think the real performance trick has to do with its minimizing torsion which I can easily picture being exaggerated between the various parts that make up the traditional hockey boot twisting independently, as they are subjected to opposing forces in acceleration maneuvers and therefore pull away from each other somewhat. A monocoque boot would unify that system into one part that still probably twists, but as one thing rather than several, which makes for a more much more immediate response. I have no experimental or theoretical physical model showing that this is indeed what happens, it's just what it feels like going from other boots to MLX, and how I picture that feeling when I draw it in my head. There's probably a deal more redundant material in that heel/quarter/outsole sandwich than there would be on Bauer's skates with traditional outsoles which run roughly parallel to the ground (we're a long way removed from OD1N's "LET'S DELETE THE OUTSOLE!!!"), but if this can mimic that reduced interstitial torsion of a monocoque OPB it could be well worth it.
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Jakucek still has Reebok skates too...
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On 10/11/2019 at 11:19 PM, 1q3er5 said:is there such thing as a malkin curve but with a more rounded toe like p28 or my fav a w71???
You mean with a rounder toe shape or more rocker under the toe?
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I have that feeling in some of my insoles. Boots’ lining will pack in over time, but insoles can do the same, especially in the heel first. I’m not familiar with SpeedPlates though, so I’m not sure how spongy they are. Spongier insoles seem to pack in more than firmer ones. If it is the insole it should be a difference you could observe by comparing your used SpeedPlates to new ones.
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It’s a little hard to see from those shots, but does the outsole look different? It looks like it cups the bottom of the foot, coming up the quarters a bit.
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If you zoom in you can see there’s next to no cosmetic package to the skate. It’s the nicest looking Bauer since the one95.
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I like it. The 90s Tacks heel wedge was pretty loud for its day, though not unheard of—see Micron. This hearkens back to that in a version suitable to today, if a bit derivative of Alkali’s tasteful branding. Not that this is by any means CCM’s first shameless borrowing from Alkali’s design touches.
I prefer a huge wordmark over random slashes and sloshes sublimated into the quarters, ‘just because.’
Are low kick sticks just hype?
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and for their own bottom line.