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23 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:You can look at how much space there is at the front and rear of the holder to see the length difference.
I noticed that in the first go 'round. However, looking at it more carefully now, there's a notable difference in the articulation of the heels of the two skates. The heel of your custom boot is much more radiused. A visual guess at what an x-ray might reveal makes me think there's more negative space in that bottom triangle between the horizontal of the boot becoming the vertical. I have no doubt the stock boot would pass as bigger if we could slice both down the middle and inspect the volume better, both metrically and visually, but there are still some apples to oranges issues I'm seeing in the comparison itself, visual illusions that contribute to the perceived size difference.
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It's a bit hard to see much with any precision when looking at your pictures, @SkateWorksPNW. Your camera looks like it might be handheld because the floor line slants down to the left and you tend to put the smaller skate on the left. The skate on the right looks bigger in both cases, but in the True custom / True stock photo, it appears you might also be positioning the camera closer to the skates, which would make the scale different in the two shots.
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6 hours ago, Miller55 said:Absolutely, but those are made with a much softer material.
But I’m pretty sure they can be made in any mix of materials Graf has.
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5 hours ago, Miller55 said:Haven't tried them on, but from my understanding the quarter is composite and very stiff, and the lacing flap that they have is what enables the forward flex to stay good. They are made for ankle injuries apparently, so they are really stiff but have a sort of hinge that enables forward flex.
The classic series also has great forward flex; -3 and -5 patterns. The gap between the top and second eyelets acts almost like an eyelet skip à la Crosby. The top eyelet being lower than other brands helps as well.
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12 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:If they would just ditch that UGLY toe cap I would consider using Graf skate again. I grew up using them and as a kid thought they were the best skates ever.
I am most interested though in the one-piece Ribcor that coming out in 2021. I saw some leaked images which had me drooling.
They were the best skates ever!
I like the look of the Graf toe cap, more than the other ones on the market. It’s classic. They should just make it more anatomical.
13 hours ago, Miller55 said:Since I don't know how to make skates and what the practical differences are, I can't comment. I've heard the same thing though. I will say though, that Graf has shown that they're trying to also compete with the more modern skate market with their G9035 and PK series skates, so that's the basis for my assumption that if I've piece become popular enough they would probably also produce a one piece line. However, I don't think they will ever stop making their classics, even if it's only for custom orders, as that is the bulk of their business and they will always have people who swear by Graf, as I'm sure all of us know a few.
I owned one pair of Grafs in my youth and can definitely say that they were some of the most comfortable skates I ever wore and the heel lock and durability were incredible. Presently I'm looking into some ultra G7s, but no shop near me sells them and I'm not one to buy skates without trying them on. One local shop said they can measure and fit me for Grafs using other skates and then recommend a Graf skate for me and order it. Since I'm new to the area I don't know how much I trust these guys to fit me, so I'm holding off for now. But Graf definitely has its niche and I can't see them ever dropping it for a one piece design.
I don’t know about skate manufacturing either, but I do have an idea that I think would be an interesting hybrid and might not even require any new tooling for Graf.
I’ve never tried G7/707, but I thought they’d have more lateral flex than most skates. Forward flex on most Grafs is/was great. I haven’t tried anything newer than their tech-mesh G35s.
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55 minutes ago, Miller55 said:There are companies like Graf that swear by their two piece construction. I imagine that if Graf is still around when the market moves to one piece they will offer a line if one piece skates but will retain their classics. Graf claims that the two piece construction enables them to achieve a superior fit and comfort, as they can alternate stiffness and flexibility in different sections of the boot.
Not sure about Bauer's reasons for sticking with the two piece, but Graf definitely does it purposely
I wrote to Graf CA’s Instaspam account about it and they said it would ruin the nice heel pocket they have on their boots. I see what they mean but they’re totally missing the point.
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Marner close to Easton Sakic.
Mac close to Warrior Gionta.
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The Tacks really look like a mashup of Warp Zeros and Vapor X:60s with CCM’s patented Bloomin’ Onion cuff.
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15 hours ago, Sniper9 said:It depends on which is your longest toe. Those who have a second toe that's longest will fit into a diff size than those with a big toe that's longer, bc if you look at the toe cap it's rounded. For example a person who's a size ten bc their big toe is the longest, is different than someone who fits a size ten because their second toe is the longest. The big toe will brush the toe cap in the area where it starts to curve. Second toe longest will brush the toe cap where it's leveled off at its longest distance from the heel. That's prob why there's some discrepancy where some ppl go down anywhere from 1.5-3 sizes in skates. It all has to do with which longest toe brushes which part of the toe cap vs in their shoes, and the tow box area of skates are quite diff than shoes.
In shoes and skates, the toe box is usually the issue, especially on my right foot. My big toes are the longest and I've had some otherwise great fitting footwear that cause almost unbearable pain on my right big toe because I'm stubborn enough to wear the shoes in. With Graf, I can comfortably fit a 10 if it's a wider forefoot skate, like the 501 or 701, but the 703 is just a tiny bit too compressed at the outer tip of my right big toe. With the 9.5 TF7s I found I could feather the cap, but my toes didn't feel compressed by either the length or the width of the toe box. It's a roomy design without feeling cavernous, maybe because the TF7 has that thicker tongue and I didn't try on TF9s.
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6 hours ago, Hills said:Sorry... but if your buddy is scanning in at 1.5 sizes BIGGER than the Bauer scan... I am not trusting what your friend is saying on how his skates fit.
Buddy's wearing 1.5 bigger now, sounds like. Maybe the X and Y were reversed at scan time?
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6 hours ago, pgeorgan said:My buddy got scanned for Bauer 6.5 EE and went with 8 TF9. Claims his toe just touches the tip. YMMV.
Was coming from (poorly) fitting Grafs. Says the fit is "10x better".
TF9 8 R or W? What size and make Grafs was buddy wearing?
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Possibly different balance points / swing weights. I used to be superstitiously insistent on a certain blade lie and stick length combo. Turns out it’s feeling in tune with the swing weight that makes or breaks a stick’s play for me. If other parameters are the same but balance is different, they’ll feel like two very different sticks. It other parameters are different but the balance is what your body expects, those other parameters don’t matter. That’s how it is for me at least.
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I just tried on some TF7s. My MLX are a size 10 and my right foot, which is slightly longer than my left, touches the toe box with slightly more than feathering pressure. I tried the TF7s in 10.0R and was swimming and felt like my arch didn’t line up with that of the boots; 9.5W felt like I could sharpen them and go without any baking, though the heel felt a bit relaxed; 9.5R felt on the money: snug, with even pressure everywhere except across the forefoot—there it was a touch too tight, but I’m confident a bake would fix that—toes were feathering the toe cap more ideally than they do in my 10 MLX. Now I wish I had tried 9.0W + R, but that’ll have to be for another day.
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23 minutes ago, SkateWorksPNW said:I now have 12 sessions in on the new skates and the more I use them the more I find little things that need to be adjusted for them to "work" with my skating. As I am making these adjustments the more I am liking the skates. I still feel more stable on my TRUE skates as they feel better connected to the ice but the Ultrasonic skates are more comfortable with the oversized ankle pads, thicker clarino liners, and comfort pads.
What little things need to be adjusted? Can you give some examples?
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6 hours ago, Sniper9 said:The padding is likely just a thin strip so your toes aren't exposed directly to the carbon she'll and adds some padding. Im pretty sure you got a skate that, like you said, had the wrong tongue put on. If I were you I'd return both skates and order another 8.5. The good news is it's not your mistake and the shop should honor the exchange.
It's probably not as bad now that their toe caps are plastic, but on my MLX, my right big toe sits with a firm brush against the toe cap and I think I got mild frostbite every time I wore thin socks in those boots. I'd love a little foam there. I could add some myself, but haven't gotten around to it.
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2 hours ago, boo10 said:The Micron Mega 10-90's that I had were notched below the 3rd eyelet, so they had excellent ankle mobility. They were heavy by today's standards, but were lighter than the Supreme models of the same era, (at least by my memory). I had them for 15 years and given the choice, I would still wear them over anything on the market today.
Air 90 had that great flex hinge instead of the notch. I still felt like my ankle was being grabbed by a bony ghost. But if a skate’s gonna go that high, that’s the way to do it.
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15 hours ago, boo10 said:The greatest skate ever made.
A little too high cut, but the best boot cut that high, probably. Insanely heavy too, compared to older Graf 703s. For my taste.
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9 hours ago, DropGloveMurphy said:It's present on the 8.5 that I didn't bake as well. Based on the position I'm guessing that it's got something to do with the seam between the painted fiberglass and the rest of the boot.
I’m confused by this description. The shell on the TF models covers 90% of the area of the boot. It runs under the surface for a lot of it but it doesn’t stop around the midfoot, where your problem area is.
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On 9/19/2020 at 10:46 PM, stick9 said:Completely different and there is nothing budget about them.
Now I’ve heard different.
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5 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:I always force myself to try other brands so I understand the pros and cons when talking to customers. These are very nice skates, they just dont work for me personally. Some people prefer Audi over BMW even though they are both equally nice.
I’ve always heard that Audis are just budget BMW copies.
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1 hour ago, nummer55 said:As per the instructions you flare out the top part after baking which will make the lacing up a little easier. Nevertheless it can be tight. I can get in without undoing the upper eyelets, but if it pops out I can get them back in over the tongue (but it’s a battle).
Can you post those instructions?
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According to IW a size 9 TF7 and Ultrasonic weighs 949g, TF9 945g and AS3 Pro 921g. Interesting.
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19 hours ago, mojo122 said:Not looking to fan the True debate, but I see guys jump into them and then at some point jump out. There were 3 Bruins players (Carlo, Chara, and Coyle) in them and they all switched out.
It can be hard to see past one's favorite team, but it's more of a big picture phenomenon. There are other guys like Mark Stuart or Ryan Murray who were in SVH's skates long before True and then went back to Bauer. That makes sense to me because both Bauer and CCM have been playing against SVH since his boots first hit the NHL, and that war is only on more than ever right now. I think tradition says a lot about why players gravitate back towards something more familiar to what they grew up with. What's more interesting for the discussion isn't who's been in True skates, for how long, and what they're on now, but rather what the population statistics are. Is True's market share growing, regardless of who's in the skates? I'd wager that it is. Eventually, there's likely to be an outlier on the good side of the distribution wearing their skates that will have greater pull in kids' brand estimation, which should lead to more sales at retail. If they can get in where Graf was before the one90, it could tilt the entire board. Before 2006, Graf had a lot of the biggest names in their boots. Then Bauer officially killed them, even stole Fedorov back to Nike! If a handful of the game's greatest players are in True boots, and they cost what Grafs did 20 years ago, you could see significant sales to say the least. Perhaps not majority market share, but potentially good enough to make a solid business case. I don't think this stops at skates either, by the way, but that's just me.
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You can test your hypothesis with lifts. No change to the steel so you’ll be certain what the forward pitch variable does. Everyone is different so predicting how it will affect you is quite difficult.