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    27 minutes ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

    I didnt check tongue weight but I imagine its very minimal.

    To put the products differences in perspective, the TF7 liner material is lighter than the TF9 which uses a treated mousture repellant clarino liner. The boot shell will weigh differently and the tongue as well. The padding and everything else seem to be exactly the same between the two models. 

    Good points that there are density differences in a lot of the materials. I love clarino, but would consider the mesh liner if the price made better sense overall.

    I was just curious about the tongue specifically because it’s much easier ho change than any of those other components and SVH‘s Instagram Live story featured the two tongues’ differences in one segment. As I mentioned in the recent Drew Doughty Lacing Pattern thread, I’m very focused on tongue performance now that I’ve experimented with swapping tongues in my Grafs and MLX. I couldn’t get my MLX to feel and perform naturally until I paired them with the softest tongues I have. That and a 1” roh were amazing together. But the more I’ve tinkered with various skates, the more I’m beginning to think it’s the fringe components—the tongue, the pitch and steel properties, boot cuff height and throat flare—that are the most important, that is, the bulk of the boot itself is of least importance. That’s why I was curious about the tongue weights.

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    P28s and PM9s are often quite different in lie. P28’s quite a bit higher. They both say lie 5, but that’s an extremely sloppy measure.

    3 hours ago, Miller55 said:

    I didn't see much, but could be I missed something in the search. I only saw a few warriors. Right, 85ish, round shaft is my preference, not particular about shaft shape, but prefer round if I have a choice.

    I guess Sherwood doesn't make the pp9 or pp96 anymore? Does Sherwood still do customs or am I living in the past?

    What are the most closed blade patterns available nowadays that are coming found?

    I searched again after posting. I haven’t really looked at sticks in the post-COVID19 months. Maybe their stocking has dried up due to the slowdown. Due to the prevalence of lefties, there are naturally fewer right handled sticks to choose from on PSH. But PM9 has been in such low demand they can sell for really cheap on eBay and other online marketplaces.

    2 hours ago, chippa13 said:

    Base is still an option.

    @chippa13‘s right here. Have you considered Base? They make good sticks for the money. They’re not for you if you want the latest marketing tricks, but they make solid sticks and you have the options to get what you want. Too bad you’re a righty because they have the Darby for lefties. It’s a great blade if you like the PM9, but are wishing for a little more fun: very close in lie but more rockered. More curve and more of a mid curve amd more open but still delightfully mild. It’s actually very close to Kovalev’s Pro pattern—you have lie for almost any distance close in your feet or far from your body—mixed with Lemieux’s curve. It’s even harder to find than the PM9, unfortunately, as it’s only ever had flashes in the pan at retail.

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    On 7/22/2020 at 4:12 AM, SkateWorksPNW said:

    For those wondering the TF9 and TF7 weight. I had a chance to weigh the production version of both and there was only about 10 grams difference between the TF7 and TF9. The TF9 weighing in at 881 grams and the TF7 weighing 891 in a size 8D. This is actually less than both my AS3 Pro and Ultrasonic skates. 

    What weight difference is there between the TF7 and TF9 tongues?

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    There’s usually a lot of that pattern available on Prostockhockey. What specs do you prefer, hand, flex, shaft shape?

    It’s good to narrow down your final selection by asking them about the actual make of the sticks as it can differ from what they’re dressed as.

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    He does go tongue under. If you search him on GettyImages and sort by oldest first you’ll see he was lacing loosely to the top until partway into his rookie season in the NHL and then started skipping the top eyelets. He continued with that setup for a while before adding the shot blockers. My guess is it was the best way to add protection to an otherwise prone area, since he had a few inches of ankle protected only by the skates’ tongues, while avoiding adding too much bulk, since mobility has always been one of his key assets.

    Speculating further, maybe he lets the top of the shot blocker flap out to avoid messing with his forward flex. I’ve tried a lot of different tongues in my skates and have surprisingly found that tongue stiffness is one of the most important factors to how a skate feels and responds. My preference is for the softest tongue possible if the boot has any stiffness at all. My Graf 701s have minimal stiffness, so they pair better with a stiffer 703 tongue.

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    1 hour ago, Giltis said:

    I can tell you that a few of my friends who were on the fence about buying Trues in the past are going to jump at the lower end model. 

    I'm probably going to get my oldest son a pair of TF7s, and keep them for when my youngest fit into before selling them to another hockey parent.

    I was just thinking that. I've been good at hunting Grafs from Germany, and some of the guys on my club want to try something other than Bauer or CCM. One wanted me to watch out for a pair for him. Now True's got a great skate for beer leaguers whose partners might balk at a summer vacation invested in a new pair of skates and I'll recommend TF7s instead of ancient Grafs for him in particular. This is considerably more palatable in every way.

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    2 hours ago, Sniper9 said:

    Interesting. 5-6 mins seems short esp for trues. Is this for customs too or the retails. You sure it wasn't for the tf7 only which isnt carbon

    Good question. He says it's for the stock skate and not the custom skate. He's holding and demoing with the TF9 shell in that sequence, so it doesn't seem like the fibreglass/composite difference comes into it.

    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCofN_xDATP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

    Question about how to bake starts at 25:27.

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    New bake protocol is 5-6 mins. total (you could flip at 2.5-3 minutes). SVH discussed it in the Instagram Live from last week.

    I’m super excited about my next skates. They’ll either be 7s or 9s but the TF line for price and features is insane. I’ve been skating in MLX boots and needed some time to figure out the ankle function that felt most natural, but they’re awesome in fit, performance, and protection and they’re also just built on a stock foot form.

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    On 3/11/2020 at 5:33 PM, colins said:

     

    He's got volume down low but near his instep it's anyone's guess. You can't tell from that pic if he's left the laces loose there intentionally to keep the spacing open to assist in that massive crease he's got going or not.

    There's very little about his skate setup that looks normal or average. 

    It looked like Bure left the middle loose intentionally once he was in Vapors. Other creasers I've discovered don't seem to do it to the same extreme Bure did. Those others include Marleau, and Kovalchuk. Once you look far enough back, all skates were creased, pretty much. I'm not sure if it's just hold outs from those days that still like a boot that has a lot of forward flex and a lot of lateral stiffness or if it's something we'll continue to see in the future. I suspect it'll die out with the future generations.

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    2 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

    I actually had one of Kanes pro stock sticks and surprisingly it's quite light at 447 grams with the buttendz and tape. He uses a very stiff blade and the blade pattern lends itself to being very lightweight as opposed to something like a max height blade for example. He is also a professional athlete compared to us mere mortals so I would imagine he won't notice 20-30 grams of weight. One benefit of a heavier stick is winning stick battles and not having someone easy knock your stick away doing a stick check or stick lift. I think centermen typically use a heavier stick than wingers, same with players who play defense. 

    Then again, he’s one of the best puckhandlers ever, so there’s a chance he’d be kernelyttere aware of that 20-30 grams and us mortals might not even suspect any difference. I’m purely speculating though.

     

    8 hours ago, Coldclay said:

    Now take that same 20lb sledgehammer and handle it with one hand. Tell me how balance point matters. It's not even an extreme example but illustrates my point better.

    A heavy stick is a heavy stick. Balance point is just a way to mask and trick your brain that it doesn't feel as heavy.

    I'm an advocate that light sticks are generally preferred over heavier sticks, hence why NOBODY chooses to use a frickin tree. Sure a stick may be 'too light' but a stick on the lighter side is what all the pro's use because they know this is a game of inches and if your stick is too heavy, you may get too tired or you may be half a second late to the puck.

    I’m not sure what all the pros use, but I have noticed anecdotally that some players have said they preferred heavier sticks themselves, including Gretzky, Heatley, Kovalev, Datsyuk, and Holmstrom.

    I’ll grant that a heavy stick is a heavy stick, but what is the threshold for a heavy stick? I would put it somewhere above 600 and maybe even 700g (not familiar with junior stick weights, that’s a different category). My >500g sticks I’d call hefty, but not heavy. On the ice, I don’t notice their weight.

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    I’m happy with a 500g stick, or even more, if the balance is right. I have a Kovalev used stick (not certified or anything but with a grip type he used and his tape job) that I’ll have to weigh again. I think it’s 550-570g but perfectly balanced, it’s insane. The 425g RibCor PMT2 I have feels like straw, I think because the shaft is so light the blade is incredibly inert against the puck.

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    1 hour ago, stick9 said:

    Didn't that Rover skate concept have cuts in the boot in that area?

    Yeah. It was also tried in the 80's and 90's by CCM, Graf, and Micron...Mission and later Alkali featured it as well. That seemed to be what he wanted: 80's pattern cuts with 00's and 10's materials.

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