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I understand it is the NHL that is pushing this look. As part of the NEW LOOK league they have it in their minds to make the players look more athletic and heroic by making ALL their gear more tight fitting and compression looking.

The pants will perhaps be the next to change. They aare looking to have more muscular looking thigh guards with a compression fabric over them. IMO, the Canada uni's were a BUST. (privately players complained about the restricted movement) I bet they will be modified somewhat.

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I won't have a problem with them if everyone tucks thier shirt in thier pants , and the people who wear suspenders have slits in thier jerseys so they can tuck them in. Then I won't complain.

I like today's jersey's a lot, and I like to wear my sleeves up on my elbow pads. I think this is such a killer, I thought that jerseys just needed to be trimmed up in a couple places like the shoulders and chest, and let the rest stay pretty similar to what we have always worn. I mean imagine if wayne was still playing, how would he be able to tuck his sweater in on one side?

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I won't have a problem with them if everyone tucks thier shirt in thier pants , and the people who wear suspenders have slits in thier jerseys so they can tuck them in. Then I won't complain.

So, guys who wear suspenders would have to hang their suspenders over their shoulders, put their jerseys on, then pull the bottoms through slits and re-button them onto their pants?

Yeah, that'll happen...

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I won't have a problem with them if everyone tucks thier shirt in thier pants , and the people who wear suspenders have slits in thier jerseys so they can tuck them in. Then I won't complain.

So, guys who wear suspenders would have to hang their suspenders over their shoulders, put their jerseys on, then pull the bottoms through slits and re-button them onto their pants?

Yeah, that'll happen...

no... I meant like the same slits you'll have down the sides of a cheerleader's skirt. :D It splits to just go on each side of the suspender. Besides, I wear suspenders too...

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My question really is, have the innovators forgotten about the role of the enforcer? I understand that these Nike jerseys are only for Team Canada in international play, and that there aren't too many fights if any. However, if Reebok is shifting towards a similar jersey, this may be a problem for the enforcers in the NHL. How are they going to throw off their elbow pads when they fight? Perhaps, we will see two kinds of jerseys being worn in the future, sort of like the practices that Team Canada had this past week, where some players decided not to wear in the prototype uniforms.

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My question really is, have the innovators forgotten about the role of the enforcer? I understand that these Nike jerseys are only for Team Canada in international play, and that there aren't too many fights if any. However, if Reebok is shifting towards a similar jersey, this may be a problem for the enforcers in the NHL. How are they going to throw off their elbow pads when they fight? Perhaps, we will see two kinds of jerseys being worn in the future, sort of like the practices that Team Canada had this past week, where some players decided not to wear in the prototype uniforms.

Do we really have to worry about what the enforcers think? I thought the game was about skill, speed, conditioning, play making artistry, not 2 guys havin' a go in the corner and making sure they can pull off their elbow pads.

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Do we really have to worry about what the enforcers think? I thought the game was about skill, speed, conditioning, play making artistry, not 2 guys havin' a go in the corner and making sure they can pull off their elbow pads.

Conditioning, playmaking, skill, and speed are no doubt the intangibles of the game, but fighting is still an aspect of the game that cannot be denied. Certainly the former are very important, but in some ways, the latter is just as important. An enforcer can indirectly change the direction of a game. Certainly a goal would indeed change the game, but sometimes goals are hard to come by and when you are playing at home, and your team is down and being outplayed; next to a goal or pulling your goalie, a team's best shot may be for his enforcer to drop the gloves with his opponent, and potentially change the momentum of the game. I think it's important to consider the roles of all players when creating new technology, hockey is a team sport. Technology should be able to help snipers, playmakers, checkers, goaltenders, and last but not least, enforcers.

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No problem, now the jersey will be nice and snug: may the best FIGHTER win, not the guy who pulls and tugs the other guy's jersey for two minutes, hoping for one good shot.

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Like Darkstar said, it will cut down on the amount to grab. Same idea as Rob Ray stripping down to fight. I can see this spelling alot more knockouts now though.

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Fighters "jobs" are to go out and break the rules. Fighting is not permitted, otherwise their wouldn't be a penalty for doing it. I don't think the NHL, Nike or RBK should give a rats ass what will work out best for a fighter.

Fighting used to be about a player standing up for himself, and that was a good thing. Now it's a guy who gets 4 minutes of ice a night going out when the coach wants to send a message to the other team and that's a detriment to the sport. Hockey players are supposed to be tough. If that's the case, they should stand up for themselves or share in the enforcement. Having a designated goon just makes the other guys look like pussies who can't cover their own ass.

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Also, back in the 80's when the entire Canadian Jr Leagues (OHL, WHL, QMJHL) wore Cooperall pants, there was a matching Cooperall jersey. This jersey was also a tapered to the waist, snug fitting jersey. And some of the best fights I saw were in those jerseys with no problems for the enforcers. Let's see the Belleville Bulls had Marty McSorley, Craig Coxe, saw Max Middendorf of Sudbury start with Mike Ware of Hamilton in one corner and finish at the other end of the rink, and who was the guy on the Kingston Canadians Mark ?? who loved to throw'em? Oh yeah, wasn't Brawling Bill Laforge a coach in the OHL during these years? The London Knights had some great fights in those jerseys, too. I remember a Saturday afternoon game in Belleville where there wasn't enough room in the box for all the guys! I don't think we have to worry about these new jerseys taking fighting out of the game!

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were they elasticated or not?

Elastic wasn't invented when Ed "Clear the Track" Shack played. The jerseys were a heavy weight high cotton content fabric. There was little stretch to them. The jerseys would shrink if you put them in the dryer.

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Max Middendorf..man there's a name from the past!! Truly a great guy who just couldn't handle the bright lights...

Dark Star, I'm sure you saw him in enough scuffles when he was playing for the Rockets as well!!...jeez I'm old..the NJ Rockets!!

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They have doen the same in Rugby with these tight fitting jerseys. They are tight to get water off the skin. Wouldn't have thought a jersey in hockey would do the same thing, due to armour being in between, hence the need for the underkit that gets sweat off the skin.

I think they look bloody horendus.....but I suppose they will reduce drag when skating...lol.

Always makes me laugh when folkes come up with pointless innovation. OPS..fair enough...lighter skates fair enough. But changing jerseys is just nuts and a total waste of R&D money by these companies. I know it's technology for other sports that they are trying to apply, but just save the money... probably had to write some tax off or something

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How the f*ck would coming out with new jerseys get them a tax write off???

seriously you don't like the gear fine...its not aimed at any of us..but really I'd like to know how Nike taking stuff that has worked for them in other sports as you state and putting it into the Canadian Olympic team..saves them money..

did they have a block of wind tunnel time they couldn't sell on ebay after Lance retired?? so they got drunk one night and said "hockey players"?? i'm sure that's exactly how these companies work...good job

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I think that it will be a tough sell for most of the players. They don't like change - take a look at Shanahan's shoulder pads, or why so many of them still insist on getting old skates custom made. In this case, comfort will be key, and if they don't find a way to make the more streamlined jerseys acceptable in this department, nice try Nike.

I don't particularly like the tight look on these jerseys. Watching the game, it's great when you see a guy who can really fly (Modano comes to mind, among others) and see his jersey flapping in the wind. These aren't cheap mesh jerseys either, like most men's leaguers will wear - you really have to get going to make a pro weight game jersey to flap like that.

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I think that it will be a tough sell for most of the players. They don't like change - take a look at Shanahan's shoulder pads, or why so many of them still insist on getting old skates custom made. In this case, comfort will be key, and if they don't find a way to make the more streamlined jerseys acceptable in this department, nice try Nike.

I don't particularly like the tight look on these jerseys. Watching the game, it's great when you see a guy who can really fly (Modano comes to mind, among others) and see his jersey flapping in the wind. These aren't cheap mesh jerseys either, like most men's leaguers will wear - you really have to get going to make a pro weight game jersey to flap like that.

You answered your own question. A pro-weight game jersey is heavy, add on the tackle twill lettering, the stitched on nameplate, and the sewn on tackle twill logos and you have a weighted jersey on your body. I bought a game used Red Deer Rebels jersey this past winter, size 56 with three-color sewn on numbers and name. In addition to the sewn on logo on the front this is easily almost 2 lbs. of jersey. Now yes, Modano and the rest can skate so fast that they make these jerseys ripple in the wind. Now, imagine its the third period or maybe even Overtime in the Cup Finals in June. Which jersey would Shanahan want on now? The classic throwback heavyweight game poly or the ultra light snug fit jersey?

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How often do you hear players saying one of:

"I got beat to the puck because my jersey weighs 2 pounds"

"I didn't win fastest skater because my jersey is a rock"

"I got caught on that breakaway because my jersey weighs as much as Andy Milonakis"

Hmm...

Sersiously, this argument's rediculous. I've never ever heard of someone saying that the jerseys weigh too much, let alone insist that in the 3rd period a players jersey weight holds their (impeccable, for most players in the show) skating ability back :rolleyes:

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How often do you hear players saying one of:

"I got beat to the puck because my jersey weighs 2 pounds"

"I didn't win fastest skater because my jersey is a rock"

"I got caught on that breakaway because my jersey weighs as much as Andy Milonakis"

Hmm...

Sersiously, this argument's rediculous. I've never ever heard of someone saying that the jerseys weigh too much, let alone insist that in the 3rd period a players jersey weight holds their (impeccable, for most players in the show) skating ability back  :rolleyes:

And how often do you hear that the guy in the Show says he wants the lightest and least bulky piece of equipment? All the time! Well, guess what? Now, its his jersey! Why resist improvements and advancements in the game by the vendors? Keep up this line of thinking and we would still be wearing all leather gloves with long cuffs(about 5 lb. per pair) and all leather Tackaberry skates with tubular steel blades.

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you never know. kinda like pro racing, even trimming a few grams can make a difference between winning and second place

Hockey is about putting the puck in the net, not going around a track over and over for the fastest time.

If it aint broke, don't fix it.

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