McAmmond Injured

[psh 25]

The timing of this is most unfortunate. Hardly anybody was watching this game. The whole hockey community needs to know what a classless animal this guy is. I hope he never sets foot on NHL ice again. Sadly, the Flyers seem bedazzled by him for some unknown reason.

[Law Goalie 147]

McKenzie seems to be on a one-man mission to get Downie suspended. I wish I could help.

But, frankly, what Grats said was right: some day he's going to do that when he's on the ice with four Swedes against Boogaard, or Laracque, or Colton Orr, or any of the really big boys, and Steve Downie is going to end up with orbital bones made out of chicken wire.

[LkptTiger 1]

Most guys like Downie usually play it safe whenever they happen to be on the ice with the real heavyweights - they walk on egg shells. He's a coward; I doubt he's up for dropping the mitts with a bona fide NHL tough-guy.

...though I'd love to see a guy like Boogaard or Laraque or McGrattan push his face through the back of his head.

[Law Goalie 147]

For one hopeful second, I thought Schubert was going to pin Downie's arms back long enough for McGrattan to pulp him.

[DarkStar50 679]

Steve Downie will meet the Perfect Storm, Colton Orr, 8 times this season, if Downie makes it to the Show. Downie might want to ask Fedorek if it's the right, left, or both he should worry about.

[LkptTiger 1]

The YouTube clip doesn't show anything following the hit, and TSN isn't working for some reason...

Did anyone go after Downie? Obviously, a hit like that is deserving of immediate retaliation.

[DEATHTRON 19]

Wow, dude was practically horizantal when he landed that hit. Unreal. I hope he didnt like his face.

Zach

[lb33knight 0]

Obviously what Downie did was wrong. But for everyone to here to have the attitude that "revenge needs to be carried out" - well, in my eyes, you are no better than he is. Wishing him to "get what's coming to him" and "he better watch out" is not the answer to any of this. It will only fuel the fire. It's terrible that someone's career might have just ended and for everyone to wish that on another is just wrong.

[QandA 0]

If I'm coming hard on the backcheck, and see a guy skating around like that, I'm going full speed, I'm going to want to hit him. It's instinct. He shoudln't of done it, he left his feet, but we all know that when you skate behind the net with your head down like that you're just asking to get clocked.

Edit: it was wrong, I'm not for hits like that, but McAmmond needs to protect himself better than that.

[Chadd 916]

Edit: it was wrong, I'm not for hits like that, but McAmmond needs to protect himself better than that.

You shouldn't have to protect yourself that long after you pass the puck.

[B-Nads 0]

Obviously what Downie did was wrong. But for everyone to here to have the attitude that "revenge needs to be carried out" - well, in my eyes, you are no better than he is. Wishing him to "get what's coming to him" and "he better watch out" is not the answer to any of this. It will only fuel the fire. It's terrible that someone's career might have just ended and for everyone to wish that on another is just wrong.

This is probably the mentality of the people who came up with the instigator rule, which precipitated the recent increase in this type of behaviour in the first place. The NHL has always been policed within the player body by a rule of deterence - run at our guys, we'll run at yours. Now, idiots like this can get by with murder because extra penalties are too costly. I agree with Chadd - this guy should be used to set a precedent that can carry over into a new season. If the status quo is maintained, and he gets a trivial suspension, then yes - I firmly believe he should and will get the ever-loving shit knocked out of him...there's always a bigger fish.

Were I in a position to impose my will on the governing commity of the NHL, I would include a clause that states that any player inflicting injury on another player in such a blatantly purposeful manner would serve a suspension, without pay, for at least the duration of the injured player's absence before any further sanctions were imposed - that would cut back on a lot of this shit.

[DarkStar50 679]

Obviously what Downie did was wrong. But for everyone to here to have the attitude that "revenge needs to be carried out" - well, in my eyes, you are no better than he is. Wishing him to "get what's coming to him" and "he better watch out" is not the answer to any of this. It will only fuel the fire. It's terrible that someone's career might have just ended and for everyone to wish that on another is just wrong.

I do not wish anything on Steve Downie. What does or doesn't happen to him is of no consequence to me. However, should another player take matters into his own hands, then its live by the sword, die by the sword. Just another day in the world of professional "sport", where they play for pay.

[LkptTiger 1]

Obviously what Downie did was wrong. But for everyone to here to have the attitude that "revenge needs to be carried out" - well, in my eyes, you are no better than he is. Wishing him to "get what's coming to him" and "he better watch out" is not the answer to any of this. It will only fuel the fire. It's terrible that someone's career might have just ended and for everyone to wish that on another is just wrong.

Like DS, I don't wish anything "on" Downie. I just wish he would disappear. This isn't the first time he's gone head-hunting.

If the NHL did things the right way, there would be no long-term fire to fuel. If the players were allowed a little more lee-way in policing themselves and one another, a situation like this would have had an opportunity to burn-out last night (though the fact that Downie was immediately tossed from the game would have made it difficult). Instead, rules have been put in place which essentially protect guys like Downie from any repercussions of their actions on the ice.

[halfmoonyote 0]

If the NHL did things the right way, there would be no long-term fire to fuel. If the players were allowed a little more lee-way in policing themselves and one another, a situation like this would have had an opportunity to burn-out last night (though the fact that Downie was immediately tossed from the game would have made it difficult). Instead, rules have been put in place which essentially protect guys like Downie from any repercussions of their actions on the ice.

Darcy Tucker, anyone? Ryan Hollweg? Colby 'bitch ass' Armstrong? They're all guilty of doing this crap night in and night out with it going un-policed and un-sanctioned. In fact, I think I'll sit back and smile with great joy when something horrific happens to Colby Armstrong. What goes around comes around kid....I don't hate anyone in this world, but Colby Armstrong is the dog shit that you scrape from the waffle of your sneaker sole.

Listen, I was pretty outraged last night over what Downie did to McAmmond. Dean McAmmond is a guy that didn't deserve that, especially after coming off the concussion in the Finals. More than that, he certainly didn't deserve it from some puke who's proven NOTHING at the NHL level.

If Downie was that pissed off about being punked out, why didn't he go after Schubert? Because he can't, because he IS a punk. I said it in the Training Camp thread, Steve Downie is one of the most overrated 'prospects' to come along, and he won't have a very prosperours NHL career if he keeps pulling antics like last night.

I understand this is a violent sport by nature, and hockey players are tough SOB's, but this was totally uncalled for.

/RANT

[santiclaws 0]

So does this mean that Canadians will stop booing Jack Johnson every time he touches the puck?

[chippa13 1844]

Edit: it was wrong, I'm not for hits like that, but McAmmond needs to protect himself better than that.

You shouldn't have to protect yourself that long after you pass the puck.

Remember folks, we're seeing the replay in slow motion so what looks like a really late hit in slo-mo is in actuality finishing the hit. Downie leaving his feet and head hunting was wrong and he should have to go toe to toe with someone for it. Had he kept his skates on the ice and laid McAmmond out with a clean shoulder this topic would be totally different.

Downie will likely get the NHL slap on the wrist and McAmmond will likely not admire his pass so much next time.

So does this mean that Canadians will stop booing Jack Johnson every time he touches the puck?

Considering Johnson keeps getting booed for a phantom hit and a prize winning dive, I don't think so. Canadians aren't that bright.

[troy 12]

Downie's right foot was on the ice when he made contact, but from that initial moment on he really elevated and coupled with the strides he took towards McAmmond (though he was gliding when he hit him) definitely make it a charge but I agree with chippa that it was not late. While I think that the hit is unnecessary in all games, the result is really a product of Downie throwing a hard, slightly illegal hit in an inopportune moment against a completely unprepared opponent.

[D-MaN88 0]

The thing is though, it's not needed. McAmmond had already got rid of the puck and all Downie had to do was make sure to cover him coming around the back side of the net for either a back door play or a rebound.

The hit was totally unnecessary for the situation along with the fact that it was just utterly dirty and disgustingly uncalled for.

The problem with the game today is the game is showing up and coming prospects and kids alike that to make whatever team you're trying out for you have to throw big hits that could potentially cause the opponent to have health issues for the rest of their life, or if bad enough to never play again. Yeah, everyone likes to see a big hit, but they need to start teaching the efficient hit. They need to start putting emphasis on the fact that playing the body for the puck and playing the puck is more important than trying to end someone's career whether its professional or amateur.

This standard needs to start having a trickle down effect from the pro's to mites. Then in the future maybe hockey can be a hard hitting, but clean hitting sport that players will know if they mess up there will be severe punishment. Now it's a circus, Downie will likely get the Bettman slap on the wrist and all is supposed to be well, but what about McAmmond that could potentially be seriously hurt and have health problems from this hit potentially for the rest of his life?

The NHL and the direction the protection standards are going in the pro's and hockey in general are getting ridiculous and need to be handled immediately, or we're going to be watching a completely different sport than most all of us know it can be like and should be like.

Again this is just my $.02.

[QandA 0]

The thing is though, it's not needed. McAmmond had already got rid of the puck and all Downie had to do was make sure to cover him coming around the back side of the net for either a back door play or a rebound.

The hit was totally unnecessary for the situation along with the fact that it was just utterly dirty and disgustingly uncalled for.

He's just taking his man out of the play. If a guy makes a drop pass and admires it, it's not neccessary to hit him, but you do. Most big hits aren't even neccessary hits, but you're taking your man out of the play. It's part of the game. Downie took it one step too far, rather two steps two high.

[BoDangles 0]

The thing I hate about the NHL and these hits is that say McAmmond doesn't get injuried, all Downie gets is a minor 2 min. in the box. McAmmond who has had head injuries in the past get's knocked out, perhaps career ending and now everyone is saying Downie shouldn't be back in the NHL and all this. Now, I'm not sticking up for Downie on this, it was uncalled for yes, but I think the NHL officials and the NHL needs to sit down and look at hits and say "Ok, we have to starting making more harsh calls rather the guy is injured or not.". For example, Neil jumps at McCabe the other night and McCabe was hit in the head, he stayed on his feet but yet it was still a headshot. This guy get's taken off the ice on a stretcher and Downie is now the devil.

Downie takes 4 stides before the hit, his left foot is barly off the ice. As for being late, everyone has their own opinion on that, myself I wouldn't call it late but anyways. Everyone is saying he jumped one- two foot in the air, when really he hardly leaves the ice but McAmmond is bent over and with the speed Downie had when he hit him, it was the followthrough when he got the air time.

Should the NHL do something? Yes, without a doubt, but I think some people are being too harsh.

[Dean_ 0]

Holy shit that was disgusting. I almost can't believe Bobby Clarke wasted a #1 on this twat. Then again, it is Bobby Clarke.

That is probably one of the worst first round pikcs ive ever seen. He said on tsn he was just trying to make the roster and finish his hits because it was a part of his game, and he didnt mean to hurt him. What a load of crap, I hope he gets a long suspenson.

[Blueline05 0]

My problem with the hit is it had nothing to do with the play. You are taught since you first start checking that checking is to take the puck away or gain an advantage on the other player. If McAmmond still had the puck it would be one thing but he had long gotten rid of the puck and that hit had no effect on the play whatsoever. Downie was just looking to run someone over and he did. Like McGratten said, he will get whats coming to him.

[Chadd 916]

The thing I hate about the NHL and these hits is that say McAmmond doesn't get injuried, all Downie gets is a minor 2 min. in the box. McAmmond who has had head injuries in the past get's knocked out, perhaps career ending and now everyone is saying Downie shouldn't be back in the NHL and all this. Now, I'm not sticking up for Downie on this, it was uncalled for yes, but I think the NHL officials and the NHL needs to sit down and look at hits and say "Ok, we have to starting making more harsh calls rather the guy is injured or not.". For example, Neil jumps at McCabe the other night and McCabe was hit in the head, he stayed on his feet but yet it was still a headshot. This guy get's taken off the ice on a stretcher and Downie is now the devil.

Downie takes 4 stides before the hit, his left foot is barly off the ice. As for being late, everyone has their own opinion on that, myself I wouldn't call it late but anyways. Everyone is saying he jumped one- two foot in the air, when really he hardly leaves the ice but McAmmond is bent over and with the speed Downie had when he hit him, it was the followthrough when he got the air time.

Should the NHL do something? Yes, without a doubt, but I think some people are being too harsh.

Punish the act, not the result. Neil should have been suspended for his attempt to behead Drury last year, look back and you'll find my position hasn't changed on this type of act. The fact that you don't think it was late leaves me speechless.

[msander 0]

Edit: it was wrong, I'm not for hits like that, but McAmmond needs to protect himself better than that.

You shouldn't have to protect yourself that long after you pass the puck.

Remember folks, we're seeing the replay in slow motion so what looks like a really late hit in slo-mo is in actuality finishing the hit. Downie leaving his feet and head hunting was wrong and he should have to go toe to toe with someone for it. Had he kept his skates on the ice and laid McAmmond out with a clean shoulder this topic would be totally different.

Downie will likely get the NHL slap on the wrist and McAmmond will likely not admire his pass so much next time.

So does this mean that Canadians will stop booing Jack Johnson every time he touches the puck?

Considering Johnson keeps getting booed for a phantom hit and a prize winning dive, I don't think so. Canadians aren't that bright.

Well as long as you're going to take the logical approach and label 30 million people as not being "that bright", I won't bother approaching the JJ situation like a "bright" person would. I'll just say I hope he gets that cocky, shit eating grin wiped off his face this year, and leave it at that.

Anyone else love people who make large and untrue generalizations based on an isolated incident or small percentage of a population? Americans are racist, egotistical, self serving war lovers...wait...that would be an unfair generalization based on a very small percentage of the population...idiot.

[Chadd 916]

Edit: it was wrong, I'm not for hits like that, but McAmmond needs to protect himself better than that.

You shouldn't have to protect yourself that long after you pass the puck.

Remember folks, we're seeing the replay in slow motion so what looks like a really late hit in slo-mo is in actuality finishing the hit. Downie leaving his feet and head hunting was wrong and he should have to go toe to toe with someone for it. Had he kept his skates on the ice and laid McAmmond out with a clean shoulder this topic would be totally different.

Downie will likely get the NHL slap on the wrist and McAmmond will likely not admire his pass so much next time.

McAmmond passed the puck before going behind the net and was hit after he cleared the far side. Downie was in a great position to see that the pass had been made and McAmmond no longer had the puck nor was he involved in the play.