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For the record, I believe Ragan was saying that now the helmet is used, therefore, it can not be returned/resold.

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I did not explain the entire story....don't need to. The helmets I bought were BRAND NEW not used. Did I say they were used or is that just what you wanted to use to discredit my experience? My point was the LHS still has over stock from last year and I bought one (AL). When I showed the LHS guy the difference between the two helmets (not in a confrontational way mind you) he said there was absolutely no difference and that the previous years version looked like "SH^#%T" IN HIS opinion. I bought the helmets from him a couple weeks earlier. We adjusted my sons helmet as he played as well as before and after games and practices ( I am his coach so I am on the bench to do so). In order to get the helmet to "Feel" comfortable after a period of time playing, it needs to be loosened to the point that I am pretty sure the protective factor of the M11 would be minimized.

The pain does not exist any other time than deep into a game or practice, like previous poster mentioned. At that point I see him head down massaging the back of his head with a painful look on his face. The store fitted the helmet for my son, claimed it was a perfect fit. In fact that employee that fitted us is great, one of the best around and should run the store. The problem is with the "NEW" padding that the manufacturer is using. As the helmet is worn it compresses and the 2 - 7 technology pieces in the rear of the helmet begin to protrude through the pad.

My helmet, new also, bought the same day as the small, has the prior years padding. Cosmetically and tacitly feels way different. No pain, more padding, no protruding.

Go to your shelf and check out any helmets that have been around your store awhile.....I promise you will see what I am tailing about. Last years adult smalls are pretty much sold out everywhere because i assume more of those sizes were purchased for kids safety. There are more carry over AL and AM's on the shelves so start looking for those.

You will see the difference and when you do, think about the comment the LHS guy said above....."No difference and look like SH&^T....the older version not only looks better all around but has more protection.

by the way my AL is great.

You said: "The pain is very bad and it seems it is worst toward the end of practice"

To me atleast, that means he experiences pain before he starts doing stuff, and it gets worse. And in reference to the helmet being used, it sounded like you wanted your LHS to either return or take it back or something.... I said they wouldn't because its used, you've been using it.

That's what I was getting at, just letting you know you pretty much are SOL, b/c you can't return it, and its not a warranty issue (however, he did give contact info to their rep, so he's atleast trying to help you - as they wont take the helmet on a warranty since their isn't a warranty issue with it, but maybe the cascade rep could help you).

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You said: "The pain is very bad and it seems it is worst toward the end of practice"

To me atleast, that means he experiences pain before he starts doing stuff, and it gets worse. And in reference to the helmet being used, it sounded like you wanted your LHS to either return or take it back or something.... I said they wouldn't because its used, you've been using it.

That's what I was getting at, just letting you know you pretty much are SOL, b/c you can't return it, and its not a warranty issue (however, he did give contact info to their rep, so he's atleast trying to help you - as they wont take the helmet on a warranty since their isn't a warranty issue with it, but maybe the cascade rep could help you).

Sorry my bad, there is no pain upon putting it on his head. The pain only begins as he wears it and the thin pad compresses and the 2-7 tech pieces start protruding through the foam. 2 hot spots develop, the 7 does not actually cut through the pad. There was no way to know the pain would occur while fitting. The helmet was fitted properly. The pain and hard spots only come out after wearing it. Again in my opinion a design change in the composition of the padding has possibly created this problem. Like the prior poster said, NHL guys are complaining about the same thing. Guys who already have concussion problems may forego using the M11 because of the same type of pain.

Don't care about the store, again there was more to it and I will not share the total scenario. Not worth it to me to let it out that is why I said I regret mentioning it.

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For those of you asking for pictures:

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Looks like he also tore out the front vent but not the ones on the side.

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I modded my vents with aluminum because I thought the vents that came with it were too ugly.

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I modded my vents with aluminum because I thought the vents that came with it were too ugly.

Those aluminum vents look great. I probably won't put forth the time or effort to change mine, but out of curiousity, where did you get the new vents and how did you go about changing them? I think Cascade should consider using them for the next version of the helmet, they look much better and I think they'd be stronger than the plastic ones, but still light.

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Those aluminum vents look great. I probably won't put forth the time or effort to change mine, but out of curiousity, where did you get the new vents and how did you go about changing them? I think Cascade should consider using them for the next version of the helmet, they look much better and I think they'd be stronger than the plastic ones, but still light.

I went to Blick Art supply and bought this:

http://www.dickblick.com/products/amaco-wireform-mesh/

I just cut them with a pair of scissors and used a glue gun to glue them in. They are not stronger than the plastic. The aluminum mesh I bought is soft and pliable, I don't have a S17 helmet, but I'm guessing their mesh is soft too? I suppose you could buy a heavier gauge aluminum or copper if you want it to be sturdy. You could do the Brent Burns method and just take the vent out and not put anything back in.

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I went to Blick Art supply and bought this:

http://www.dickblick...-wireform-mesh/

I just cut them with a pair of scissors and used a glue gun to glue them in. They are not stronger than the plastic. The aluminum mesh I bought is soft and pliable, I don't have a S17 helmet, but I'm guessing their mesh is soft too? I suppose you could buy a heavier gauge aluminum or copper if you want it to be sturdy. You could do the Brent Burns method and just take the vent out and not put anything back in.

Thanks. When I think about it further, the vent part isn't really the most protective area anyway. The vents are indented, plus the plastic vents aren't exactly super stiff anyway. The real safety issue is the use of the glue - there's a chance that certain glues will weaken the plastic. Plus, by modifying the helmet you're basically foregoing the warranty and it'd make it tough to sue if anything happens. With that said, I know that glues are used in helmets to attach padding and I don't know if the glue you used is helmet safe or not (it may be fine, but I'm not a chemist) and I know that you wanting or needing to sue a helmet manufacturer isn't likely. There are just risks when modifying a helmet. I do think it looks way better than the plastic vents.

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Ok so I have had my issues with the M11 helmet. However, this year I have witnessed and heard of waaaaaaaay too many forehead laceration problems with this helmet. It seems the 7 technology is not protected well enough on the forehead. When players collide the 7 tech protrudes through the thin gray foam and creates the cuts. I have heard one team had 6 such cuts this year. Many other claims as well.

Today while watching the Minnesota State Tourney Class A championship, the problem came to life on television. After a collision, a player wearing the M11 came away with a cut on his forehead. The TV announcers commented the cut "seemed" to originate after the hit. Indeed it did.

As a parent I am really becoming leery of this companies claims and what seems to be a marketing campaign that prays on the fears of parents. Obviously concussions are a serious concern. Of course parents are going to do anything they can to protect their kid. I do not believe for one minute this helmet is any more protective than other leading brands.

I coach year round, I am in touch with kids from the ages of 9-13. I have noticed that kids feel side contact with M11's much more than other brands. Additionally, it seems that excessive frontal contact results in these forehead lacerations.

When will "The Messier Project" realize the inherent weaknesses in their product? Parents beware, this is not the BEST solution on the market.

The solution is proper helmet fit, a quality good fitting mouth guard and make sure your players straps are appropriately attached. This helmet is NOT magical.

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Found this thread while looking for something else.

Bought this helmet for my son. He will be 6 next year but playing house mite and club mite. I got this because of concearn with him playing up and wanted to make sure he had the best protection. I agree the sides down low near the back seem to flex so much more then any helmet I can think of. He seems to like the helmet, but now I am debating on grabbing a 9500 ( which is what I was searching for info on) or possibly a 9900. Obviously I am possibly over concerned, but want to protect his head as best I can.

If anyone has played with both or all three would like your input.

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Just reading more the m11 in threads. seems to have a lot of people who say it has done well protecting them from concussion. I am not concerned if he gets a cut forehead as much as a concussion. Fit seems perfect so all things being equal guess I just want to know if anyone thinks 9500 or 9900 would provide better protection

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It would seem to be pretty tough to tell, when a head impact with an M11 doesn't result in a concussion, if the same impact would have caused a concussion with another helmet, or vice versa.

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Anyone experience the ratchet mechanism coming loose and not locking anymore? This happened after a collision. Defect in the ratchet? Should I buy another helmet. It's the only one that fits my head properly.

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I just removed the vent covers on my M11. One side popped off pretty easy while the other side needed a bit more work to get it to come off. I haven't had any problems with my helmet, comfortable, fits my head good, breathes well, glad I spent the money.

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Anyone experience the ratchet mechanism coming loose and not locking anymore? This happened after a collision. Defect in the ratchet? Should I buy another helmet. It's the only one that fits my head properly.

This happened on several helmets on our team this year. I would contant cascade as we were able to get warranty on all of ours. They admitted that the teeth on the ratchet were too small on the first m11 helmets they produced and the newer helmets have larger teeth on the ratchet to address the early issues.

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It really is a comfort issue, at least for me. If I do it anywhere close to tight it cuts into my throat- the loops just put the strap too far back. I wear a cage properly tight, so that keeps it on, but I certainly understand why players don't tighten it. If they do, it's flat out painful, especially if you try to look down. I don't mind the cage and the chin cup on that at all, nor do I mind bike helmets. But I cannot tighten the chin strap on a hockey helmet without it hurting me. If you want more people to tighten them, you need to design them better.

x2

http://thehockeywriters.com/hockey-helmets-and-cowboys-the-chin-strap-debate-begins/

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My son was due for a new helmet and I took a very serious look at M11, 11K & S19 with fit and protection being the 2 biggest concerns.

at the end I bought 11K since M11 felt way to flimsy (even unber a very light pressure the entire shell moves and compresses way too much to induce any confidence); S19 felt a bit better, but it's so ridgid that it really makes me wonder how it is supposed to provide any protection - after all hoceky helmet isn't a casket and the protection principles that apply are also different.

no wonder every singe hockey store I went had an overstock of both M11 & S19 (judging by the manufacture dates on the helmet it didn't look like it was produced much since August 2010)

specifically for M11 the rear plat is what seems to compromise the entire construction since it just sort of hangs there & coverds the back of the helmet rather then contributing to the overall rigidity of it.

just my .5 :)

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Our whole squirt team just got M11 with cages for $100 each shipped. I even bought one for myself for beer league. I for one and hoping they live up to the hype.

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M11 Pro is much more streamlined than the M11, and the Seven tech is tweaked. It fits a bit better. M11 will still be offered.

Great..any rough idea on when they might do the consumer release JR?

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