Patrick Kane arrested

[iceburg19 1]

this has been some topic,for one,im loving the comments,,, very funny,im getting a kick out this, hockey players have the best sense of humor.all kidding aside JR we need to get the cabbie on MSH for an interview.we need to know his side of the story.

[starsfan71 9]

I would have a hard time admitting to getting my ass kicked by someone who's 5'8" 140lbs.

Is that really how big he is? Dang I am catching up :lol:

[s Greens 0]

Technically, I believe locking the kids in is against the law. Whether it is smart business for a cabbie is another thing entirely.

i dont want to get into a huge debate on this, mostly because regardless of the legality, i think it will be dismissed in court. But I think it is legal as long as the cab driver has reasonable doubt that the passenger is not going to pay, and therefore, has to proceed with the passenger (theif?) to the police station. In this case, it sounds like he may have just sat outside Kane's destination with them trapped in the car and was under the impression they were college kids (so following his own procedures - may be illegal, but a practiced routine). Regardless, I would be freaked out too and probably do something stupid if I were in Kane's position, especially after a few beverages

[eric42434224 1]

i dont want to get into a huge debate on this, mostly because regardless of the legality, i think it will be dismissed in court. But I think it is legal as long as the cab driver has reasonable doubt that the passenger is not going to pay, and therefore, has to proceed with the passenger (theif?) to the police station.

What is reasonable doubt?

[s Greens 0]

reasonable doubt can be any suspicion that the passenger wont pay. Maybe the cabbie overhears a conversation, maybe one of the passenger gets out and starts running and ends luckily locks the other in the car. It could honestly be anything that gives the driver the impression that the passenger wont pay. I personally think it is controversial myself, but I have heard of this kind of thing happening before

[eric42434224 1]

reasonable doubt can be any suspicion that the passenger wont pay. Maybe the cabbie overhears a conversation, maybe one of the passenger gets out and starts running and ends luckily locks the other in the car. It could honestly be anything that gives the driver the impression that the passenger wont pay. I personally think it is controversial myself, but I have heard of this kind of thing happening before

I have no doubt it happens, but I highly doubt it is allowed under the law.

Cant lock someone in the 7-11 because you think he "might" steal some gum.

Cant see Cab drivers having different treatment under the law.

Your only recourse is to call the cops.....and they might not do anything if there isnt an actual crime committed.

If I were locked in a cab, I would not only not tip, I wouldnt pay, and I would feel justified to use physical force to get free.

[EBondo 233]

Saw this today

Anyone else seriously contemplating getting one? haha

[chippa13 1844]

reasonable doubt can be any suspicion that the passenger wont pay. Maybe the cabbie overhears a conversation, maybe one of the passenger gets out and starts running and ends luckily locks the other in the car. It could honestly be anything that gives the driver the impression that the passenger wont pay. I personally think it is controversial myself, but I have heard of this kind of thing happening before

That isn't "reasonable doubt" that you are describing. "Reasonable doubt" is the criteria by which a jury must acquit someone being tried for a crime. I think the phrase you're looking for is "probably cause".

[Blueandgold26 1]

Saw this today

Anyone else seriously contemplating getting one? haha

hahahahahaha

[iceburg19 1]

love it ,gotta wear it when the hawks come to town.

[The Dangler 0]

Correction - Patrick Kane and his cousin may or may not have roughed up a taxi driver for $1.20. How could anybody not notice 15 - 13.80 = 1.20 ?

"The report said the fare was $13.80 and the two Kanes had paid the driver $15. Radecki told the Tribune Sunday, "They broke my glasses, they ripped my clothes ... all over 20 cents.""

Taken right off the news report online.

[eric42434224 1]

reasonable doubt can be any suspicion that the passenger wont pay. Maybe the cabbie overhears a conversation, maybe one of the passenger gets out and starts running and ends luckily locks the other in the car. It could honestly be anything that gives the driver the impression that the passenger wont pay. I personally think it is controversial myself, but I have heard of this kind of thing happening before

That isn't "reasonable doubt" that you are describing. "Reasonable doubt" is the criteria by which a jury must acquit someone being tried for a crime. I think the phrase you're looking for is "probably cause".

I think you mean "probable cause", and that isnt quite right either. It refers to a standard used by police officers to do a search, make an arrest, or get a warrant. It is also used by a Grand Jury as a standard when determining wether a crime has been commited.

[s Greens 0]

reasonable doubt can be any suspicion that the passenger wont pay. Maybe the cabbie overhears a conversation, maybe one of the passenger gets out and starts running and ends luckily locks the other in the car. It could honestly be anything that gives the driver the impression that the passenger wont pay. I personally think it is controversial myself, but I have heard of this kind of thing happening before

That isn't "reasonable doubt" that you are describing. "Reasonable doubt" is the criteria by which a jury must acquit someone being tried for a crime. I think the phrase you're looking for is "probably cause".

I think you mean "probable cause", and that isnt quite right either. It refers to a standard used by police officers to do a search, make an arrest, or get a warrant. It is also used by a Grand Jury as a standard when determining wether a crime has been commited.

you and chippa are most likely correct. It was poor wording on my choice. I was just trying to describe that if the cab driver is positive the customer is going to skip on the bill (dont ask me how), i think it may be legal for him to lock the doors and drive to the police station. Similar to a citizens arrest I believe. I read an article a little while ago about a group of teens who tried to run from a cab without paying in NYC. However, one of them did not get out in time and the driver locked up the doors and drove him to the station. Ill try and find the link if you want, although, i feel we're already starting to venture off topic

[phunky_monkey 6]

Correction - Patrick Kane and his cousin may or may not have roughed up a taxi driver for $1.20. How could anybody not notice 15 - 13.80 = 1.20 ?

"The report said the fare was $13.80 and the two Kanes had paid the driver $15. Radecki told the Tribune Sunday, "They broke my glasses, they ripped my clothes ... all over 20 cents.""

Taken right off the news report online.

Haha I was wondering that myself??!

I think people are jumping to conclusions without all the facts for both sides. Fact is, none of us were there so we can't comment for sure on the happenings in the cab. Kane could have snapped for no reason, the cabbie could have provoked him, who knows. No need to fight amongst yourselves about it.

[eric42434224 1]

I think people are jumping to conclusions without all the facts for both sides.

Of course we are. What fun would it be if we all commented, "Lets not jump to conclusions and wait for all the facts."

;)

[M.W. 0]

Correction - Patrick Kane and his cousin may or may not have roughed up a taxi driver for $1.20. How could anybody not notice 15 - 13.80 = 1.20 ?

"The report said the fare was $13.80 and the two Kanes had paid the driver $15. Radecki told the Tribune Sunday, "They broke my glasses, they ripped my clothes ... all over 20 cents.""

Taken right off the news report online.

The story is that he gave them a one, but didn't have 20 cents.

[RecLeagueHero 0]

No, a cabbie may NOT under any circumstances lock someone in the cab. Where they drive at that point would be of no consequence, they'd be guilt of false imprisonment and potentially kidnapping. A citizen's arrest is a concept that is part of English common law and is virtually irrelevant in modern jurisprudence. A private citizen may NEVER use force, like locking doors, to detain another person. Doing so would more than likely result in you finding yourself in criminal trouble, not to mention potential civil consequences.

[phunky_monkey 6]

I think people are jumping to conclusions without all the facts for both sides.

Of course we are. What fun would it be if we all commented, "Lets not jump to conclusions and wait for all the facts."

;)

Valid point :)

Jut commenting that there's no need to get nasty about it!

[Dean_ 0]

I would really like to hear Kanes side of the story because appearenly the cab drivers lawyer is saying the whole thing is blown of of porportion.

[Hawkeye 0]

And what has this cabbie done to lose his credibility? Do you know him personally? Has he wronged your family in any way? So far, all I know about this guy is that he is a cabbie.

The cabbie lost his crediablity when he drove a cab...........without a license.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hockey/blac...-081109.article

Buffalo cabbie was driving without a license, report says

Hawks star Kane’s accuser had pleaded guilty to DWI

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August 11, 2009

BY KARA SPAK Staff Reporter

Jan Radecki, the Buffalo cab driver who’s accused Blackhawks star Patrick Kane of beating him over a 20-cent fare dispute, had no valid driver’s license after multiple drunk driving arrests, The Buffalo News is reporting.

Radecki’s driver’s license was revoked in December 1998 “after he refused to submit to a chemical test,” the paper said.

He was issued a “conditional license” by the New York Department of Motor Vehicles, but, four months later, in April 1999, Radecki’s driver’s license was again revoked, this time after he was charged with driving while intoxicated, the paper reported, citing state records.

He pleaded guilty to the drunk-driving charge in February 1999 and was sentenced in 1999 to 15 days in jail and three years of probation, the paper said, but, according to his attorney, the jail sentence was suspended.

[chippa13 1844]

And what has this cabbie done to lose his credibility? Do you know him personally? Has he wronged your family in any way? So far, all I know about this guy is that he is a cabbie.

The cabbie lost his crediablity when he drove a cab...........without a license.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hockey/blac...-081109.article

Buffalo cabbie was driving without a license, report says

Hawks star Kane’s accuser had pleaded guilty to DWI

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August 11, 2009

BY KARA SPAK Staff Reporter

Jan Radecki, the Buffalo cab driver who’s accused Blackhawks star Patrick Kane of beating him over a 20-cent fare dispute, had no valid driver’s license after multiple drunk driving arrests, The Buffalo News is reporting.

Radecki’s driver’s license was revoked in December 1998 “after he refused to submit to a chemical test,” the paper said.

He was issued a “conditional license” by the New York Department of Motor Vehicles, but, four months later, in April 1999, Radecki’s driver’s license was again revoked, this time after he was charged with driving while intoxicated, the paper reported, citing state records.

He pleaded guilty to the drunk-driving charge in February 1999 and was sentenced in 1999 to 15 days in jail and three years of probation, the paper said, but, according to his attorney, the jail sentence was suspended.

Oh, so all of you guys who were attacking the cabbie YESTERDAY used your clairvoyance to divine this information?

[RadioGaGa 162]

He loses credibility as a cab driver, yes...but assuming things still happened as reported....that doesn't excuse a person from (allegedly) attacking him over .20

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

If avery and gretzky were both in the cab and this story came out, who would you think was the one who did it?

Gretz, because that's how the rich stay rich...they're cheap. Ever hear the stories of celebrities being awful tippers?

See, your logic is flawed.

I read a story a while ago about Tiger Woods being an awful tipper and he's one of the richest (maybe the richest) athlete of all time.

Some celebs don't like parting with their cash even though they have a ton of it.

It's true. He lives here, I've heard the stories.

[Hawkeye 0]

He loses credibility as a cab driver, yes...but assuming things still happened as reported....that doesn't excuse a person from (allegedly) attacking him over .20

When you drive on a revoked DL you are a felon. And guess what? You have little to no credibility in court. Especially when your job requires a DL.

And what little credibility you do have gets tossed when your lawyer says "we can work things out" That just screams pay off.

Let's put you in the same situation:

1) your out and drunk

2) you hail a cab from the entertainment district of your town.

3) Cab asks "where you going?" you respond "west town" or some other neighborhood.

4) Cab drives to East town and asks what address. You realize he took you to the wrong place.

5) He asks for fair, you decline, he locks doors.

6) What do you do?

I know what I do, cause I've done it before.

How do I know this is what happened? Look at a map of Buffalo and the locations of the incidents.

[chippa13 1844]

What you do is pay the fare and hop out. You take it as a lesson learned to pay better attention to where the cab is headed the next time you hop in one. You don't just start swinging.

As for this guy's past history with the law, that makes him no less a victim here, if indeed the facts play out. All it has done is prejudice you against him.