1 piece compared to two piece SE16

[odieg14 0]

Because of the shortage of sakic se16's i'm am thinking of picking a two piece. Se16 is by far my favourite stick and my main questions are will a two piece feel different than 1 piece and also how true are the flex comparisons.. im sure there are many 1piece two peice debates and forums here but im looking for aswers specifically to SE16's.

Thanks

[Chadd 916]

SE16 shaft should perform exactly the same as the OPS.

[mlmm 0]

I have to laugh at everyone thinking there is going a huge performance difference between a ops and a shaft. I play with quite a few ushl players in the off season. All of them are using shafts and many of them with wood blades. It doesn't make that huge of a difference and in the end if you break either the shaft or blade you are still going to have something usable left over unlike many of the ops.

[Chadd 916]

I have to laugh at everyone thinking there is going a huge performance difference between a ops and a shaft.

Depends on what shaft and OPS you're talking about, there can be a huge difference.

[Scotty 8]

Depends on what shaft and OPS you're talking about, there can be a huge difference.

For example the S19 shaft/blade and OPS. Absolutely nothing like one another besides the paint and name.

[mlmm 0]

Depends on what shaft and OPS you're talking about, there can be a huge difference.

I am talking about the most expensive rbk, bauer, easton, ccm, warrior, or sherwood shafts. It's human nature to have the so called top of the line most expensive ops out there. I have seen it first hand, My buddies in high school are all using totalones, x60s or whatever is the most expensive ops of the other brands at the time during high school. When they come home from juniors for the summer they are all using what their team is under contract to use or what they are given to use..shafts. I dont notice that all the sudden they are running in to major issues in their game from using a shaft. Just something I've noticed.

[Chadd 916]

I am talking about the most expensive rbk, bauer, easton, ccm, warrior, or sherwood shafts. It's human nature to have the so called top of the line most expensive ops out there. I have seen it first hand, My buddies in high school are all using totalones, x60s or whatever is the most expensive ops of the other brands at the time during high school. When they come home from juniors for the summer they are all using what their team is under contract to use or what they are given to use..shafts. I dont notice that all the sudden they are running in to major issues in their game from using a shaft. Just something I've noticed.

It's not all of a sudden if they were gone for 6+ months and been using those sticks for the entire time. It's not that I disagree with some of what you're saying, but your observations don't support your position.

For example the S19 shaft/blade and OPS. Absolutely nothing like one another besides the paint and name.

Exactly my point. Both are good sticks, just very, very different.

[innotastic 12]

if we're talking about fused OPS and two piece combinations, the only thing i've noticed is shotty glue jobs in shaft/blades that add in a bit of extra vibration you don't get in a OPS. the extra glue/tape also throws off the balance ever so slightly. both these problems are fixed with a wood plug in the handle end.

i use a se16 shaft with a variety of blades. this should hold true for other similar pieces, dolomites and STs come to mind. x60 shaft/blades ought to perform similar to x50s.

[Chadd 916]

i use a se16 shaft with a variety of blades. this should hold true for other similar pieces, dolomites and STs come to mind. x60 shaft/blades ought to perform similar to x50s.

ST shaft used to be called an ultralight, it doesn't perform like the ST OPS.

[mlmm 0]

I guess I dont really have a postion I am just discussing the mindsets that most people have towards shafts and how they think ops are so much better. I dont even use shafts myself right now. Chadd you are right about the all of the sudden part. Example would be the senior year of high school with all the kids I played with are using $200+ ops they paid for themselves. All summer they are using them trying out for ushl, nahl, or junior a in canada. They make the teams and then reality sets in. Thier beloved ops sit in a corner and they are given a $100 rbk shaft and asked what curve wood blade they would like. I am sure there is a break in period but ultimtely they are playing at the same level with a much cheaper shaft.

[Chadd 916]

I guess I dont really have a postion I am just discussing the mindsets that most people have towards shafts and how they think ops are so much better. I dont even use shafts myself right now. Chadd you are right about the all of the sudden part. Example would be the senior year of high school with all the kids I played with are using $200+ ops they paid for themselves. All summer they are using them trying out for ushl, nahl, or junior a in canada. They make the teams and then reality sets in. Thier beloved ops sit in a corner and they are given a $100 rbk shaft and asked what curve wood blade they would like. I am sure there is a break in period but ultimtely they are playing at the same level with a much cheaper shaft.

Talented players are talented, no matter what they use. That doesn't mean sticks aren't different and that some people can't feel a difference. There are no absolutes on either side of the debate. It all depends on the sticks and the people using them.

[bostonjuniorblackhawks 1]

I guess I dont really have a postion I am just discussing the mindsets that most people have towards shafts and how they think ops are so much better. I dont even use shafts myself right now. Chadd you are right about the all of the sudden part. Example would be the senior year of high school with all the kids I played with are using $200+ ops they paid for themselves. All summer they are using them trying out for ushl, nahl, or junior a in canada. They make the teams and then reality sets in. Thier beloved ops sit in a corner and they are given a $100 rbk shaft and asked what curve wood blade they would like. I am sure there is a break in period but ultimtely they are playing at the same level with a much cheaper shaft.

wood blades? I buy some stuff of someone who plays in the ushl and he gets rbk 10K or 6K composite blades.

[ponder 0]

The SE16 OPS is more or less just the 2-piece epoxied instead of hot-glued together, right? Obviously not exactly the same, but I'd imagine quite close since the SE16 OPS uses a fused construction.

If you're hooked on a stick with more of a "true OPS" construction like the Warrior Widow, Easton S19, Bauer TO, etc. then you're looking at more of a change when switching to a 2-piece, but I can't imagine with fused sticks like the SE16 or Warrior Dolomite that there'd be much difference at all. I'm a big fan of tapered 2-piece sticks personally.

[icewalker_bg 126]

I'm currently using an you+ cl 2011 and an se16, dont see a major difference, in my head the se16 is a one piece

[chippa13 1844]

Talented players are talented, no matter what they use. That doesn't mean sticks aren't different and that some people can't feel a difference. There are no absolutes on either side of the debate. It all depends on the sticks and the people using them.

I've had to good fortune of playing with a few guys that have played at high level bus leagues (basically I've known guys who've known guys and got to ride some beer league coattails) and they were just like the rest of us when it came to sticks. Some of them could play with anything while others were meticulous and had to have everything just so.

[Scotty 8]

In terms of tapered shaft/blade combos that are a direct descendant of their OPS counterpart, meaning that the components are the same as the OPS version, they generally feel nearly exactly the same. The X60 and SE16 two-piece versions fit this description and most will say that while maybe the balance is just a hair off, it otherwise performs identically. The shaft/blade X60 I had performed just like the OPS.

[MilleniumFalcon 5]

I have converted many broken se16s into tapered shafts and I can say I didn't feel the difference when I used those shafts with tapered blades. You just need to pick the right blade. Default blade which is used in SE16 OPS stick is pretty light, it's about 140 gramms and quite durable. I used these ones and had no problems:

PRO BLADES

[dudegolong 0]

I've had an SE16 OPS and i have an SE16 Blade/Shaft Combo and to be honest they really do not differ much performance wise. There is a little bit of extra weight in the Two piece but i'm not too easily bothered by weight. In my opinion i think i can get more power out of a two piece due to the extra weight. But that's just me, a lot of it boils down to personal preference. But usually if you look at a tapered shaft and blade the cost adds up pretty close to the one piece version (barring any type of sale)

[farhanshak 1]

I have converted many broken se16s into tapered shafts and I can say I didn't feel the difference when I used those shafts with tapered blades. You just need to pick the right blade. Default blade which is used in SE16 OPS stick is pretty light, it's about 140 gramms and quite durable. I used these ones and had no problems:

PRO BLADES

+1 on this. I used 7k blades tapered with my se16 converted OPS, and it was amazing. Have tried the Bauer ID tapered composite blades as well and they work well. No noticable difference to my OPS se16's.

[Jarick 5]

Just got to watch out on the balance. Some blade-shaft combos are pretty dang blade heavy compared to OPS which can be super light weight. That throws my stickhandling and quick shots way off.

[bdh13 1]

I've used SE16 OPS for a long time and just ran out of my stockpile recently. I converted a broken SE16 OPS and used a Warrior Dolomite blade and it seemed fine. I recently found a SE16 shaft (true shaft) and two SE16 blades, but they don't feel the same to me. The kickpoint is off and the blade seems fat. Is it just in my head or has anyone else had the same experience?

[n3gkiwi 1]

I've used SE16 OPS for a long time and just ran out of my stockpile recently. I converted a broken SE16 OPS and used a Warrior Dolomite blade and it seemed fine. I recently found a SE16 shaft (true shaft) and two SE16 blades, but they don't feel the same to me. The kickpoint is off and the blade seems fat. Is it just in my head or has anyone else had the same experience?

My guess would be if you are using a dolomite blade that has a longer hosel compared to the se16 blade it will definitely change kickpoint a bit.

I have been using the SE16 shaft and SE16 blade for awhile. In terms of feeling fat, I never had that experience when using a new SE16 blade with my SE16 shaft. I emphasize new because the blade would become soft and was not durable for me. I went through a number of these se16 blades - an easy way I found to check was to just give them a little bend. They are great blades - thin, great puck feel, and shoot solidly if not broken. However I have recently switched over to the 11k blade as I believe it is much more durable. Hope that helps...

[x-track 8]

...where do you guys cut the broken Se 16 to fit the decribed pro blade in ?? ...not sure if i am allowed to post this ...but I still have a bunch of brand new SE16's that I am not using , sakic's , drury's and lidstroem's ...if somebody cares !!??

[n3gkiwi 1]

...where do you guys cut the broken Se 16 to fit the decribed pro blade in ?? ...not sure if i am allowed to post this ...but I still have a bunch of brand new SE16's that I am not using , sakic's , drury's and lidstroem's ...if somebody cares !!??

You may want to post this in the gear exchange section if you're trying to sell them. It's a shame they stopped making them.

As for where you cut the shaft, I am not sure about the SE16 but with my one piece Dolomite I simply heated up the shaft near the blade and pulled it out like a normal blade (it was definitely a harder pull - had to use a vice).

[steelnation248 102]

...where do you guys cut the broken Se 16 to fit the decribed pro blade in ??

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7494-cutting-ops-at-fuse-point/page__hl__%2Bcutting+%2Bops+%2Bfuse__fromsearch__1

I put a little step by step at the bottom of the last page in the thread.