ochockey 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2012 I've heard a lot of hype on hybrid icing. Not exactly sure what is and would love an explanation. Thoughts on it would be great as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goblue9280 33 Report post Posted March 15, 2012 Essentially the linesman makes a judgement call as to who would win the race to the puck based on where the attacking player and defending player are when they reach the faceoff dots. Here's the NCAA rule:Judgement of first player to touch puck. For the purpose of interpretation of this rule, icing is completed the instant the puck crosses the goal line, unless an attacking player, who is onside at the blue line and with no opponent between that player and the goal line and is clearly in position to be the first player to touch the puck. Icing shall not be called in this situation. This decision by the official shall be made no later than the first player reaching the end zone face-off dots. If the puck enters the goal in this situation icing shall not be called and a goal shall be awarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_v3 289 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 I think it will work well. I like the way it works in the NCAA.\You still get races for the puck which is what most fans want to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apes44 7 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 What I dont understand about this is, if the attacking player is winning the race to the circles or wherever you mark it, theres still the chance for the D man to just destroy the forward, which is what i thought this rule was intended to prevent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IniNew 53 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 What I dont understand about this is, if the attacking player is winning the race to the circles or wherever you mark it, theres still the chance for the D man to just destroy the forward, which is what i thought this rule was intended to prevent?The chances of catastrophic hits is still cut in half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hunt3rsean 44 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 What I dont understand about this is, if the attacking player is winning the race to the circles or wherever you mark it, theres still the chance for the D man to just destroy the forward, which is what i thought this rule was intended to prevent?I think the point of the rule is to give the players a better chance to protect themselves if something goes bad. Yes, a big hit can happen, but the chance of one (or both) players going down dangerously into the boards is much much less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrangler 157 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 It sounds like the official may be expected to blow the whistle if it'll be really close. If the offensive player has a clear lead, he should have a much better chance to play the puck and avoid a crunch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t6lock 24 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 i like the rule a lot, what i don't like is going to be the crowd boo'ing every other icing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law Goalie 147 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 The main thing hybrid icing takes away is the incredibly dangerous scenario in which one player (O or D) has a bit of a lead, and the other play is forced to lunge for the puck: that's when you get sticks into skates, and guys getting their legs broken. By buffering the call back to the face-off dot (or wherever), not only give the players more time to think and protect themselves, but you in fact remove the puck (and thus all stick-blades being thrust into feet) from the situation, or reaching for the puck and getting crushed from behind, or just from the side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 What I dont understand about this is, if the attacking player is winning the race to the circles or wherever you mark it, theres still the chance for the D man to just destroy the forward, which is what i thought this rule was intended to prevent?I think you're going to see a lot of hits like this. Look at how many times the two guys don't bother with the puck and try to line each other up on dump-ins now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGaGa 162 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 I've heard mention of an "imaginary line" to indicate icing...not the Goal line as is used now. Does anyone know where they are indicating?I'd like to see the bottom of the circles used...then in a race, at least a guy has a few more feet to slow down after touching up and not crashing head long to the boards. It would also give a team who beats out icing an better chance at creating an immediate scoring chance. They are trying for more offence, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law Goalie 147 Report post Posted March 16, 2012 I think they're debating a digitally-overlaid line once the hybrid icing 'race' kicks in, much like the first-down line in football. It'll probably be around the hash-marks, and, naturally, only visible on broadcasts. It's always funny hearing newbies at football games... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chippa13 1844 Report post Posted March 19, 2012 After spending the weekend watching the Hockey East semis and finals, I think the rule works great at the college level and would like to see it at least tried out during the NHL preseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbhockey4 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2012 Its going to effect the game just as much as the new nets they wanna put in, in my opinion. Its just shortening the length of the race for the puck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hunterphfr 12 Report post Posted March 31, 2012 Its going to effect the game just as much as the new nets they wanna put in, in my opinion. Its just shortening the length of the race for the puck.It's not the length of the race that's the issue here, it's the proximity to the end boards when the race ends. The potential for a devastating collision is an ever present issue under the current rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachHealy 1 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 We've used it for the past two seasons in the league that I coach in. I think that it's a great rule. It can give a weaker team a chance to spring a forward for a breakaway. It is also fair because a team can't change on the attempted breakaway pass if it fails.The only real issue that we have run into has been the officiating. Like all new rules the refs all have their own interpretation. Most of them agree, however some still forget to call it correctly.We did see an improvement in the 2nd year from the first year, and I hope we see another improvement this upcoming season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebra_steve 11 Report post Posted October 10, 2012 From the linesmans' point of view, it's touch icing without the touch. they are to determine which player "would win the race to the loose puck" and are to make this determinatiion as soon as possible for the satety of the players. The play should be killed (or icing washed out) no later than the faceoff dots and all ties go to the defenseman. Contrary to what sonme coaches and players think, it is not a race to the dots, it is a race for the puck... if the O player has a clear advantage then it's washed they keep on trucking.... should the D player opt to plow the O player into the end boards then I would hope the guy wearing the floaties on his arm has the balls to make the right call.It should be a really easy concept to grasp, I'm amazed at the number of officials that screw this up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGaGa 162 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 It appears the AHL is playing with an automatic (or hybrid) icing rule this year. In the game last night there were a few blown dead with a d-man going back alone. No chase at all. Player hadn't reached the circles yet and it was blown dead. I don't recall any races or offensive player advances...so I can't say 100% if it is a full no-touch or a hybrid rule. I'll have to look it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The MAD Line 2 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 Think it needs to happen or something does. We've seen too many injuries because of a simple play that can be avoided. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IPv6Freely 2096 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 I just wish they'd go to no-touch. I understand everyone loves the "thrill of the race", but lets face it... if you want possession of the puck deep in the zone, just hit the damn red line first. I honestly dont think anyone would even really notice that there are no races for it anymore. I'm just not a fan of adding a complicated rule thats open for interpereation by the linesmen in lieu of using a rule that has been in place in many leagues for a long time.The thought of a digitally overlaid line just kills me. That's almost as bad as the digital logos some american broadcasts have on the glass behind the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The MAD Line 2 Report post Posted October 21, 2012 Been watching a bunch of NCAA and AHL games over the past couple of days and honestly you don't even notice it, but in a good way. The pace stays the same, you still see offensive touches first, races for the puck, and you actually save a couple seconds because the guy doesn't have to make it the whole way back before the call. Over the run of a game, it probably saves 15-20 seconds, which may be significant. I like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted October 22, 2012 It appears the AHL is playing with an automatic (or hybrid) icing rule this year. In the game last night there were a few blown dead with a d-man going back alone. No chase at all. Player hadn't reached the circles yet and it was blown dead. I don't recall any races or offensive player advances...so I can't say 100% if it is a full no-touch or a hybrid rule. I'll have to look it up.The races are the dangerous plays that need to be eliminated, not the guys going back all alone. I've never seen a broken leg or guy drilled through the glass when he went back by himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The MAD Line 2 Report post Posted October 22, 2012 The races are the dangerous plays that need to be eliminated, not the guys going back all alone. I've never seen a broken leg or guy drilled through the glass when he went back by himself.I'm hoping that blowing the play dead before the defence makes it to the puck is a way to increase pace of play. They also blow it dead if it appears as though the defence will get there first, but the offensive player is close enough that it could turn into a dangerous play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greyskull 21 Report post Posted October 23, 2012 What's wrong with non touch icing anyway? It's how the games played (for the most part) over here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted October 24, 2012 I'm hoping that blowing the play dead before the defence makes it to the puck is a way to increase pace of play. They also blow it dead if it appears as though the defence will get there first, but the offensive player is close enough that it could turn into a dangerous play.But if it's a close race and the offensive player is in the lead, they let it go and he gets buried by the defenseman. Why does it matter who is leading a close race when just having a close race is dangerous?What's wrong with non touch icing anyway? It's how the games played (for the most part) over here.Because it isn't the way the game has been played in the NHL and a lot of people don't like change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
