Catalogue Review 2015 Bauer Hockey Catalogue

[shooter27 116]

Does the Speed Plate get molded during the same process as the rest of the skate or is it a separate process? I have the custom Sidas insoles, but was told to not use them when I heat molded my skates because the heat of the skate could potentially warm the insole to the point that it changed shape as well. It sounds like the Speed Plate is a bit more of an integrated process?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Thanks! My understanding was there was an upgrade in LS3 steel quality that corresponded with the release of Edge holders/steel. Is it safe to assume that if there was an improvement in the LS3, the LS2 also improved?

That would be correct LS2 is not the same quality as the LS3. Its very easy to tell by sharpening it. I am very much looking forward to getting the LS4 so I can get all my clients out of the 3's and 2's they are in now. Still prefer Step and regular LS2 Holders but not much choice now.

[AIREAYE 248]

That would be correct LS2 is not the same quality as the LS3. Its very easy to tell by sharpening it. I am very much looking forward to getting the LS4 so I can get all my clients out of the 3's and 2's they are in now. Still prefer Step and regular LS2 Holders but not much choice now.

You calling out Bauer's product manager on this one Jeff?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

You calling out Bauer's product manager on this one Jeff?

I really don't think I have to? Look at the blades side by side and tell me they are the same? Then sharpen both.

[bthompson1286 5]

I'm looking at either buying the Nexus 1000 Nexus Pro or 800 glove. I currently have the 4-roll pro and would like to replace it. Can anyone help me out on this please? I love the fit and feel of the 4-roll pro glove. Is the 1000 that much better than the 800? Thanks in advance.

[raganblink 82]

Does the Speed Plate get molded during the same process as the rest of the skate or is it a separate process? I have the custom Sidas insoles, but was told to not use them when I heat molded my skates because the heat of the skate could potentially warm the insole to the point that it changed shape as well. It sounds like the Speed Plate is a bit more of an integrated process?

It does, outside the boot. I was told by our rep to heat the skate one at a time like we normally do for 3 minutes, and halfway through that throw the speed plate in (roughly 90 seconds) - put speedplate into the skate, have user immediately stand up for 10 seconds, and then lace up the skate. I can see it getting messed up if you go somewhere that has no idea what they are doing, and especially see issues doing it at home - more reason to go into a shop that is knowledgeable and have it professionally done.

I'm looking at either buying the Nexus 1000 Nexus Pro or 800 glove. I currently have the 4-roll pro and would like to replace it. Can anyone help me out on this please? I love the fit and feel of the 4-roll pro glove. Is the 1000 that much better than the 800? Thanks in advance.

Gussets & a nicer palm are the biggest things you'll notice. If you don't want to change too much go with the 800s.

[duff14oct 9]

No. Supreme will be updated in Fall 2016, and Nexus in Spring 2016. 2 year cycles...

Actually, NEXUS sticks are launching in Fall 2015 and Supreme in the Spring of 2016. 18 month life cycles...

[JR Boucicaut 3793]

Ah - there you go. Thanks, Keith!

[JDub 29]

That would be correct LS2 is not the same quality as the LS3. Its very easy to tell by sharpening it. I am very much looking forward to getting the LS4 so I can get all my clients out of the 3's and 2's they are in now. Still prefer Step and regular LS2 Holders but not much choice now.

oldtrainerguy28: If you are comparing older produced LS2 steel (steel produced approx. 24-months or older) than yes you might feel a difference. We made a running change about 24 months ago to use identical grade of steel and same finishing between LS2 and LS3. As is the case with any running changes, it takes time for old inventory to flush through the channels but the change occurred on 2014 Supreme and was a rolling change on 2013 Vapor prior hence why you might see some mixed inventory currently. After market was changed at the same time and again, you might see mixed inventory in the market as it flushes through the channel. Hopefully this info helps. If not, let me know

Edited January 7, 2015 by JDub

[JDub 29]

Does the Speed Plate get molded during the same process as the rest of the skate or is it a separate process? I have the custom Sidas insoles, but was told to not use them when I heat molded my skates because the heat of the skate could potentially warm the insole to the point that it changed shape as well. It sounds like the Speed Plate is a bit more of an integrated process?

shooter27: Yes the speed plate is molded with your skate. The primary objectives of the Speed Plate from a design and development perspective were:

1. Further eliminate negative space between the player’s foot and the skate. This is something we have looked to do in the design and development of our skate lines for years. We feel strongly that a skate that fits close to the foot (yet comfortable mind you) helps the player maximize his energy output during the skater’s stride by eliminating any movement internally.
2. Stabilize the heel by creating a heel cup that is personalized to the dimensions of the foot and improve heel lock inside the skate.
3. Personalized arch support. Increasing the contact surface of the bottom of the foot and the skate’s insole. You will see in some of the communication in the catalog the contact surface difference between a regular footbed (think of this as our Form Fit+ footbeds in our current skate line) vs. Speed Plate.

This is where the discovery of the proprietary Recovery Alloy material became such a critical aspect for the Speed Plate. BAUER felt strongly that in order to achieve all three aspects above that the Speed Plate (footbed) needed to be molded together with the skate vs. other custom footbeds out in the marketplace. The Recovery Alloy allows for the Speed Plate to be molded with the skate.

With that said, you don’t have to mold the Skate again if you already own a pair of skates that you are happy with from a fit perspective. You can mold Speed Plates to any existing skate but you should mold them to the skate you are going to wear to ensure the best possible fit experience and enhancements the speed plate provides. If you buy a brand new pair of skates and Speed Plates (or 1X) optimally you would mold the two at the together. Basically the players choice

[shooter27 116]

Thanks for the reply. That's great information. Is the recommended molding sequence what raganblink described above? Heat the skate/speed plate, step in the skate, stand for a few seconds, then sit and lace up?

[JDub 29]

Thanks for the reply. That's great information. Is the recommended molding sequence what raganblink described above? Heat the skate/speed plate, step in the skate, stand for a few seconds, then sit and lace up?

Yes and no. Originally this is how we recommend the speed plates be molded and they can still be done this way if you want but we now recommending lacing the skate up before standing or applying pressure to the speed plate for molding. Helps stabilize the foot and integration of the foot, speed plate and skate.

[shooter27 116]

Makes perfect sense. Much appreciated.

[mojo122 535]

I'm looking at either buying the Nexus 1000 Nexus Pro or 800 glove. I currently have the 4-roll pro and would like to replace it. Can anyone help me out on this please? I love the fit and feel of the 4-roll pro glove. Is the 1000 that much better than the 800? Thanks in advance.

Gussets & a nicer palm are the biggest things you'll notice. If you don't want to change too much go with the 800s.

Being a huge fan of mesh gussets IMO the 1000 is much nicer than the 800.

[raganblink 82]

So for clarity sake - bake 1x skates for 3 minutes, put speed plate in halfway through, put speed plate into skate after baking is done, lace up skate and stand up for 10 seconds?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

oldtrainerguy28: If you are comparing older produced LS2 steel (steel produced approx. 24-months or older) than yes you might feel a difference. We made a running change about 24 months ago to use identical grade of steel and same finishing between LS2 and LS3. As is the case with any running changes, it takes time for old inventory to flush through the channels but the change occurred on 2014 Supreme and was a rolling change on 2013 Vapor prior hence why you might see some mixed inventory currently. After market was changed at the same time and again, you might see mixed inventory in the market as it flushes through the channel. Hopefully this info helps. If not, let me know

Well that would explain it. So I was not wrong for the most part as there must be a fair bit of flushing to be done because I have not seen any LS2 that looks comparable. Most I see is on mid price point skates that a year old to the customer or were purchased as older inventory on sale. I do not sell skates at my shop but do help clients get fitted at other stores and we always go LS3 or Step anyway. This would explain why I have not seen this improved steel. I personally feel that the LS2 is still too short in height and has been for a while even back in LS2 Holders. I was glad to see the LS3 and even more glad to see the LS4 steel. I am also much happier with the new Edge holder making the channel tighter. Still having issues with some JR ones but I am sure that will be fixed down the road. I would however like to be able to purchase the trigger hard ware to do the repairs on them instead of selling a customer a new holder when it is only 6 months old. That is frustrating.

[Cove 38]

Haven't you been advising most customers who deal with you to ditch Edge holders for LS holders? Using a vice grip with junior skates to make your point regarding their rigidity?

[iSmile 0]

JDub

+1 to raganblink.

How to baking procedure (1 skate in oven) for new 1x and Speedplate together, from 1 step to last.

Correct and edit:

1. Preheat the owen to ? degrees

2. Throw one skate in (no insole)
3. ? min later throw Speedplate in oven (In the oven, not inside the skate?)
4. ? min later get the skate out and Speedplate, put Speedplate in skate, lace up

5. Stand for ? min
6. Sit for ? mins or until skates cool down.

Edited January 8, 2015 by iSmile

[IPv6Freely 2092]

I remember being absolutely blown away by how light the new supreme shoulders are. Like, uncanny. Definitely on my list to replace my Down Low once they kick the bucket.

[JDub 29]

Well that would explain it. So I was not wrong for the most part as there must be a fair bit of flushing to be done because I have not seen any LS2 that looks comparable. Most I see is on mid price point skates that a year old to the customer or were purchased as older inventory on sale. I do not sell skates at my shop but do help clients get fitted at other stores and we always go LS3 or Step anyway. This would explain why I have not seen this improved steel. I personally feel that the LS2 is still too short in height and has been for a while even back in LS2 Holders. I was glad to see the LS3 and even more glad to see the LS4 steel. I am also much happier with the new Edge holder making the channel tighter. Still having issues with some JR ones but I am sure that will be fixed down the road. I would however like to be able to purchase the trigger hard ware to do the repairs on them instead of selling a customer a new holder when it is only 6 months old. That is frustrating.

oldtrainerguy28: Bauer's warranty for holders on new skates and aftermarket is 1-year from the date of purchase. If the player has concerns after 6-months they should be returning to retailer they purchased the skate for warranty replacement or be in contact with Bauer warranty directly so we can resolve the issue for them. We would also likely ask the retailer or player to ship the holder back to our RD&D for inspection. This would help us in any required improvements and design considerations in the future.

*edited*

Edited January 8, 2015 by JDub

[KoT 2]

JDub

Please answer to baking question, that primary question for many peoples in that topic.

Edited January 8, 2015 by KoT

[AIREAYE 248]

JDub

Please answer to baking question, that primary question for many peoples in that topic.

Why the heck did you make 2 accounts?

[Cavs019 708]

The guy doesn't live on the forums, you asked him the question less than 24 hours ago.

I can almost guarantee that there will be very specific instructions in the 1X box and separately sold Speedplate packaging on how to correctly bake them.

[JDub 29]

JDub

+1 to raganblink.

How to baking procedure (1 skate in oven) for new 1x and Speedplate together, from 1 step to last.

Correct and edit:

1. Preheat the owen to ? degrees

2. Throw one skate in (no insole)

3. ? min later throw Speedplate in oven (In the oven, not inside the skate?)

4. ? min later get the skate out and Speedplate, put Speedplate in skate, lace up

5. Stand for ? min

6. Sit for ? mins or until skates cool down.

Here are the instructions we recommend.

MOLDING SPEED PLATES ONLY:

1. Pre-Heat BAUER Skate Oven for 2-3 Minutes
2. Once Pre-Heated, place Speed Plates in skate oven.
3. Wait for thermo-chromatic ink on arch to disappear. This should take approx. 1-1.5 minutes
4. Once the Thermo-chromatic ink disappears, remove 1 speed plate from the skate oven, wait 5-10 seconds. Insert Speed Plate into the skate and slide the skate on the players foot.
5. Once the skate with speed plate is on the foot, quickly lace skate up. Once the skate is laced up, stand up and apply pressure to the skate for approx. 30 Seconds.
6. When completed the 1^st foot, repeat the same protocol for the other foot.

MOLDING SPEED PLATES AND SKATES TOGETHER:

1. Pre-Heat BAUER Skate Oven for 2-3 Minutes
2. Once Pre-Heated, place skates in the oven. Total skate heating time is approx. 2-3-minutes
3. Skates should be the oven for approx. 1.5 minutes by themselves. After 1.5 minutes, place both Speed Plates in bottom of the oven (not inside of skates)
4. Wait for thermo-chromatic ink on arch to disappear on Speed Plates. This should take approx. 1-1.5 minutes
5. Once the Thermo-chromatic ink on the arch disappears, remove 1 speed plate and corresponding skate from the skate oven, wait 5-10 seconds. Insert Speed Plate into the skate and slide the skate on the player’s foot. Make sure to turn off the heat (timer) on the oven and close the door to keep the other skate warm and speed plate at its optimal temperature.
6. Once the skate with speed plate is on the foot, quickly lace skate up. Once the skate is laced up, stand up and apply pressure to the skate for approx. 30 Seconds – Do not flex on the skate.
7. When completed the 1^st foot, repeat the same protocol for the other foot.
8. Sit with knees 90-degrees bent until skates are cool. I try to have the player sit a minimum of 8 minutes but the longer the better IMO.

Now, for whatever reason, if the Speed Plate doesn't quite feel "perfect", you can re-mold the speed plates. Simply put the speed plate back in the skate oven until the thermo chromatic ink disappears. The Speed Plate will return back to its original stock shape (identical to how it comes out of the package). Repeat the process until you get the desired fit. It might seem like a lot but in reality, it's pretty simple. A little practice and you will get the hang of it. One of the key benefits to remolding aspect, a good majority of players purchase skates in Aug/Sept timeframe – near the end of summer when generally players take time off and not skate, wearing sandals etc. The player’s foot can have a certain dimension in at that point. As the player starts wearing skates, gets into winter months and wears more supportive shoes, etc. during the season, the foot can actually change shape a little. For example, some NHL players start a season in E-Width skate but end the season in a D-Width as skates feel “looser” through the course of the season. This is not a luxury most retail consumers have. So remolding the Speed Plates at the ¼, ½ or ¾ portion of the season will help with make the skate feel “new” again. You can remold the Speed Plate numerous times and it doesn’t compromise the integrity of the Speed Plate. It also works in all models of skates, not just VAPOR.

For those of you who are retailers and retail employees, we will be on an educational tour in the next month and half. I personally can't make every stop but we will have staff at each event to help train on the molding process.

[Amiroo39 121]

I'm looking at either buying the Nexus 1000 Nexus Pro or 800 glove. I currently have the 4-roll pro and would like to replace it. Can anyone help me out on this please? I love the fit and feel of the 4-roll pro glove. Is the 1000 that much better than the 800? Thanks in advance.

Warrior makes excellent gloves. If you're not dead set on Bauers.