New rules

[whbd18 0]

Ive had about 7 games so far with these new rules and I dont think there has been one minute so far without someone on each team in the box. I havent had any penalties yet, but was close a few times.

The thing I hate the most though is no tag up offsides, Im pretty sure last year we played tagup in midgets.

[Chadd 916]

Although that would be interesting I stil thenk the 2/2 system with these new rules works best. IMO. but I really see a hard time coming for any refs not in shape.

I do see a huge opening for bigger guys that maybe arent the best players but can skate going from playing to reffing....

2/2 is more expensive

[Chadd 916]

Ive had about 7 games so far with these new rules and I dont think there has been one minute so far without someone on each team in the box. I havent had any penalties yet, but was close a few times.

The thing I hate the most though is no tag up offsides, Im pretty sure last year we played tagup in midgets.

It has been a USAH rule for everyone but juniors for a couple years. Maybe it was just a league rule change.

[sweetblazer 0]

Well i Just played my first game with the new rules. Personally I dont like them lol luckily we played penalty shots on penalties cuz its still tryouts there were easily 70-90 penalties. My opinion is that yea this is sumthing that could help the game at the NHL level. But in minor hockey goals arent a problem, i personally would have liked to see them leave everything above peewee the same. Let the young kids learn the system now, and slowly phase it in. Like im not complaining I know we need to adapt but no one can deny that fact that after being taught all sorts of things for 12 years it is very hard to adjust. The other thing I REALLY dont liek is the new finishing check where you need to be a stick lenghth away. I mean from the start of my hitting hockey ive been told "finish your check" now you have to be so careful. Also as much as the no obstruction is alright in the neutral zone, id liekt o see them allow the battles in front. As a forward im not biased on the sbject cause im the one taking the beating but personally i find the battles in front witht he cross checks etc are not something that is causing any problems.

Anyways thats my two cents keep the rules but id liek to see them phased in not just THERE all of a sudden.

[Edge 0]

At our first tourny (midget aaa) it was pretty bad. Now after we all play with the rules then penalties will go down quite a bit, but there were a select few calls that were absolutely stupid. I was one of the few on our team to not get any penalties during the entire tournament. Basically the adjustment is you only are allowed to move your feet and all you can do with your stick is touch the puck. I remember one kid on our team lifted anothers stick to get the puck(didnt even hold it just tapped it up a bit) and got called for hooking. That in my opinion is where it gets out of hand.

[All Torhs Team 0]

The thing I hate the most though is no tag up offsides, Im pretty sure last year we played tagup in midgets.

Sorry, Im not familiar with this term. What is a "tag-up" ?

We might use another phrase around here.

But we got our first games soon and I know its gona be bad just like you guys are saying.

[NuggyBuggy 0]

Lifting the stick of a player not in posession of the puck is a penalty

Does this mean you can't try to lift or whack someone's stick in a faceoff ?

[Chadd 916]

Lifting the stick of a player not in posession of the puck is a penalty

Does this mean you can't try to lift or whack someone's stick in a faceoff ?

Are you making a play on the puck? That's really the first question you have to ask yourself about any situation. If the puck is on the ice between you, you can lift the stick quickly in order to get control of the puck. You can't lift it up to your waist, put your ass into him and kick it back.

[Ogie 0]

what are area rinks doing about the time these games are taking to play? That many penalties has to dramatically increase the time of the game.

[Chadd 916]

what are area rinks doing about the time these games are taking to play? That many penalties has to dramatically increase the time of the game.

In our leagues the time slot is limited, games will get cut off if they exceed their scheduled time slot.

[yvan12 0]

I agree with Chadd...the rules are not new, they are just being enforced the way they are written. If I can tap a guy's glove with my stick and get away with it, the next time I am going to hit a little harder or turn my stick blade into a hook, then it becomes a slash or worse. The refs are mandated to prevent this kind of escalation by calling everything. It is up to the coaches to teach the proper skills and basics of the game (which to my knowledge does not include clutching and grabbing or slashing) and it is up to the players to refine those skills to become better players. Of all of the kids playing hockey, there is a very miniscule number who will get the opportunity to be drafted to the OHL, let alone play there, and the number is much smaller to be drafted and play in the NHL. Therefore, the vast majority of the players today will become 'Beer Leaguers" where there is no body checking or slapshots, and everyone has to go to work the next day. Learning the skills of the game now, without all of the dirty crap and interference just prepares us for the future hockey 'careers' that most of us will have. It is most important to remember that Hockey is a game, and a game should be fun, and I don't know too many people (in their right minds) who enjoy getting hacked, slashed, and beaten up for the fun of it.

[BK 0]

We had a scrimmage today and I was not very happy with some of the new changes..

the biggest one that made me mad was I was in front of the crease with a new player defending him. We both were facing out tward the blueline and he shoved me extremely hard from behind using the shaft of his stick. The other team took a shot from the point and he went for a deflect. I undercut his stick midair to prevent the deflect because I was now about 4 feet infront of him due to him pushing me and the ref calls THAT instead of roughing from him using his shaft to push me away from behind.

Bad reffing or just bad new rule? Does that even fall under the new rules? I was technically making a play for the puck and in no way brought our sticks up to waist level, nor did I hook his stick.

[Chadd 916]

We had a scrimmage today and I was not very happy with some of the new changes..

the biggest one that made me mad was I was in front of the crease with a new player defending him. We both were facing out tward the blueline and he shoved me extremely hard from behind using the shaft of his stick. The other team took a shot from the point and he went for a deflect. I undercut his stick midair to prevent the deflect because I was now about 4 feet infront of him due to him pushing me and the ref calls THAT instead of roughing from him using his shaft to push me away from behind.

Bad reffing or just bad new rule? Does that even fall under the new rules? I was technically making a play for the puck and in no way brought our sticks up to waist level, nor did I hook his stick.

Should have been an interference call on him, though the ref may not have seen it. It is a penalty on you though. You made a play on his stick when he didn't have the puck.

[technophile 0]

From what I hear coaches aren't complaining. It's mostly the meatheads who would rather prove how tough they are than put the puck in the net.

I can't speak for AAA, midget or otherwise, but a lot of the beer league guys were complaining because they're just here to play/have fun, and for a while they really were calling nonsense (like calling a trip or check when two players are jostling for a puck and one falls down).

Once the refs understood where the line ought to be and started calling it consistently it was fine, although the penalty numbers were still up a bit. Hopefully this year guys will really figure out what is and is not allowed.

It doesn't worry me so much; I had 2 penalty minutes all last season. ;)

[Chadd 916]

It's going to be hard for some refs to adapt and some are going to go overboard.

My first call in my my first game this year was matching minors for interference. As stupid as it sounds, it was accurate and the right call given the new standard. Two guys are going for the puck and one cuts off the other well before they get to the puck. The other guy then reaches around and puts an arm in front of the first guy to prevent him from getting to the puck first. I watched another game after mine and the guy just refused to learn that wacking a guy with your stick as he went by is no longer allowed. I saw at least 6 of those calls in a period and a half. I'll get at least two tonight, the guy doing our game is terrible and I've told him that a bunch of times.

[Project824 0]

Lifting the stick of a player not in posession of the puck is a penalty

Does this mean you can't try to lift or whack someone's stick in a faceoff ?

Are you making a play on the puck? That's really the first question you have to ask yourself about any situation. If the puck is on the ice between you, you can lift the stick quickly in order to get control of the puck. You can't lift it up to your waist, put your ass into him and kick it back.

Funny, that used to make some guys great faceoff men. Good thing they changed the standard, now "players will be rewarded offensively and defensively

for their use of speed, skill, and strength." Looks like having a quicker stick to tie up the other center's stick (speed & strength), establishing body position ("putting your ass into him") and kicking the puck back (a skill play) is no longer legal. I'd argue that you're definitely making a play on the puck, that's kind of what a faceoff entails.

[Chadd 916]

Lifting the stick of a player not in posession of the puck is a penalty

Does this mean you can't try to lift or whack someone's stick in a faceoff ?

Are you making a play on the puck? That's really the first question you have to ask yourself about any situation. If the puck is on the ice between you, you can lift the stick quickly in order to get control of the puck. You can't lift it up to your waist, put your ass into him and kick it back.

Funny, that used to make some guys great faceoff men. Good thing they changed the standard, now "players will be rewarded offensively and defensively

for their use of speed, skill, and strength." Looks like having a quicker stick to tie up the other center's stick (speed & strength), establishing body position ("putting your ass into him") and kicking the puck back (a skill play) is no longer legal. I'd argue that you're definitely making a play on the puck, that's kind of what a faceoff entails.

It could also be considered interfereing with a player who is trying to make a play on the puck, because the first two steps have nothing to do with the puck and everything to do with preventing the other guy from making a legal play. Do it fast and it's likely going to be ok. If it takes a couple seconds to do those three steps and you're probably headed to the box.

BTW

Kicking the puck is not a skill play

[slaw 1]

I just finished my Re-Cert for Level 2C in the OMHA and theres three key things you should know.

1) Don't put your stick inbetween someones legs....They're really targeting the McCabe corkscrew it doesen't matter if the person your checking falls or anything just dont do it

2) dont take your hand of your stick when theres someone coming near you because your gonna sit for 2 regardless of whether or not your waving to your mom or scratching your nose Refs will key on you the instant you take your hand of your stick,

3) Don't bring your stick parallel to the ice and touch someone with it.

Agreed these rules are a bit insane but dont yell at the referees there in a tough spot too they have been told they have to do this. So if your pissed send a letter to the OMHA or USAHockey or wherever you are. Just bear with these rules.....They are meant to improve the quality of game and Noone will really no over time whether it will work or not. One final note..I reffed a Minor Atom (I think 9 year olds) AA game last night and called 30 minutes in penalties.

[DarkStar50 679]

BTW

Kicking the puck is not a skill play

Did you ever watch old video of CCCP? Kicking the puck and playing the puck with their feet was an art form for CCCP.

But then I was at the Ford Theatre when Lincoln was assassinated, too.

[Chadd 916]

BTW

Kicking the puck is not a skill play

Did you ever watch old video of CCCP? Kicking the puck and playing the puck with their feet was an art form for CCCP.

But then I was at the Ford Theatre when Lincoln was assassinated, too.

While moving, I agree. Off a faceoff, not so much. Interesting side note, IIHF rules do not permit a faceoff to be won by kicking.

[biff44 0]

I just watched a day of the Boston Bruins rookie camp. Here are the skills I saw:

1) Very few body checks

2) A huge amount of poke checks and magical batting the puck out of the air stuff

3) Wicked speed in the forwards, and wicked lateral speed in the Dmen

4) The need for Dman skating speed to get to a dumped puck and clear it in time

5) Virtually no hooking

6) And, of course, kessel scoring whenever he got a foot or so up on the dman

So, it is a mind set, as well as the need to get more leg strength/foot speed, that you need to work on.

[chippa13 1844]

We had a scrimmage today and I was not very happy with some of the new changes..

the biggest one that made me mad was I was in front of the crease with a new player defending him. We both were facing out tward the blueline and he shoved me extremely hard from behind using the shaft of his stick. The other team took a shot from the point and he went for a deflect. I undercut his stick midair to prevent the deflect because I was now about 4 feet infront of him due to him pushing me and the ref calls THAT instead of roughing from him using his shaft to push me away from behind.

Bad reffing or just bad new rule? Does that even fall under the new rules? I was technically making a play for the puck and in no way brought our sticks up to waist level, nor did I hook his stick.

Should have been an interference call on him, though the ref may not have seen it. It is a penalty on you though. You made a play on his stick when he didn't have the puck.

Wow, that is ridiculous.

[Project824 0]

BTW

Kicking the puck is not a skill play

Did you ever watch old video of CCCP? Kicking the puck and playing the puck with their feet was an art form for CCCP.

But then I was at the Ford Theatre when Lincoln was assassinated, too.

While moving, I agree. Off a faceoff, not so much. Interesting side note, IIHF rules do not permit a faceoff to be won by kicking.

I have to disagree. If we're going to allow kicking the puck in open ice, and count goals that are redirected with a foot (out of Red Berenson's mouth at the AHCA conference, being able to play the puck with your foot is a skill play - it requires balance, strength and athleticism, even on a faceoff), then why not allow kicking the puck on a faceoff. I'd be very surprised if that is called at high levels of hockey.

If players can no longer win a faceoff by kicking, then why allow hand passes in the defensive zone? It takes less skill to swat the puck with your hand than to gain position on the dot and kick the puck back to a teammate.

[Chadd 916]

BTW

Kicking the puck is not a skill play

Did you ever watch old video of CCCP? Kicking the puck and playing the puck with their feet was an art form for CCCP.

But then I was at the Ford Theatre when Lincoln was assassinated, too.

While moving, I agree. Off a faceoff, not so much. Interesting side note, IIHF rules do not permit a faceoff to be won by kicking.

I have to disagree. If we're going to allow kicking the puck in open ice, and count goals that are redirected with a foot (out of Red Berenson's mouth at the AHCA conference, being able to play the puck with your foot is a skill play - it requires balance, strength and athleticism, even on a faceoff), then why not allow kicking the puck on a faceoff. I'd be very surprised if that is called at high levels of hockey.

If players can no longer win a faceoff by kicking, then why allow hand passes in the defensive zone? It takes less skill to swat the puck with your hand than to gain position on the dot and kick the puck back to a teammate.

Kicking the puck is not going to be allowed, it's too dangerous to endorse any type of kicking motion. Winning a faceoff with your feet is not permitted in IIHF games, but don't expect that rule to change in NA anytime soon.

[hitz14 0]

who felt there was a need for a change in the rules of a game that was fine for the past 50 years?