Broken Tendon Guard on my one90's

[Dare to Dream 1980 0]

Alright so i was getting done with my highschools varsity practice and it turned out that the tendon gaurd on my one90 is completely broken. The leather is ripped like 1 1/2cm long and the tendon gaurde flexes all the way back to the back of the boot both inside and out. I was wondering, how bad is this and do i need to buy another pair of skates or will i live?

[DEATHTRON 19]

Post pictures. It will be easier to tell whats wrong and how to address it then.

Zach

[greech 4]

I did it in State last year. I brought 'em back to my LHS, who gave me a new pair and sent them to NBH under warranty. I'd check with the LHS first.

[JPB_69 0]

This is why I hate Nike and refuse to buy any of their products. Their shit falls apart, and I'm beginning to think it's meant to. I grew up wearing Bauer and never had the issues that you guys have here. Bauer skates were bullet proof. Then Nike buys them, jacks up the price and builds a product that lasts a year at best. *I mentioned a year because that seems to be the magic number on every post that I read here regarding NBH skates.* Think about it, do we see as many threads regarding Mission, Vector, Easton or Graf? JMHO...

[Dare to Dream 1980 0]

i cant seem to upload the picture for some reason so this may take awhile

[Cavs019 710]

The tendon guard is great if you don't use it to pull your skates off.

[yipperzz 28]

The tendon guard is great if you don't use it to pull your skates off.

i've never done that and it still broke on me. but nice generalization.

[Rustyhole 1]

i cant seem to upload the picture for some reason so this may take awhile

pics must be hosted on a web server other than your computer. I use imageshack but there are others 100% free. You can't upload direct from your PC if that's the problem, if not disregard.

[sc37 0]

Knew a guy who wore his for a while before he took them in to get fixed. He said he went to a shoe repair place and they just put in some heavy stitching to put it back into place.

[TBLfan 25]

This is why I hate Nike and refuse to buy any of their products. Their shit falls apart, and I'm beginning to think it's meant to. I grew up wearing Bauer and never had the issues that you guys have here. Bauer skates were bullet proof. Then Nike buys them, jacks up the price and builds a product that lasts a year at best. *I mentioned a year because that seems to be the magic number on every post that I read here regarding NBH skates.* Think about it, do we see as many threads regarding Mission, Vector, Easton or Graf? JMHO...

We see more NBH threads because they are more popular. If you buy high end skates they are going to perform a LOT better than skates made 3 let alone 10 years ago. Performance means just that, they aren't made to be super durable. These aren't leather boots that you can wear until they literally rip off, these are composite skates... You want to talk about composite skates falling apart, you're talking Easton not NBH.

[wallin2199 0]

The same thing happened to my One90's, we have a couple week break so I'm going to go into my local store and see if I can get a warranty replacement. Does anybody know if they will do it without a receipt because that seems to be missing...

[JPB_69 0]

This is why I hate Nike and refuse to buy any of their products. Their shit falls apart, and I'm beginning to think it's meant to. I grew up wearing Bauer and never had the issues that you guys have here. Bauer skates were bullet proof. Then Nike buys them, jacks up the price and builds a product that lasts a year at best. *I mentioned a year because that seems to be the magic number on every post that I read here regarding NBH skates.* Think about it, do we see as many threads regarding Mission, Vector, Easton or Graf? JMHO...

We see more NBH threads because they are more popular. If you buy high end skates they are going to perform a LOT better than skates made 3 let alone 10 years ago. Performance means just that, they aren't made to be super durable. These aren't leather boots that you can wear until they literally rip off, these are composite skates... You want to talk about composite skates falling apart, you're talking Easton not NBH.

"If you buy high end skates they are going to perform a LOT better than skates made 3 let alone 10 years ago".

I agree 100%. That's not what I'm busting on them for. I went from 16 year old skates to Graf G3's, the performance & comfort is amazing. You guys don't know how good you have it!

"Performance means just that, they aren't made to be super durable".

So performance = shitty construction? Come on. On this thread alone we have Dare To Dream, greechbc9, Yipperzz, Wallin2199 (and SC37 knows a guy) all sharing a common gripe, their skates are falling apart.

Be honest, if you think NBH wanted to make a skate that performed as well as the One90 and was more durable could they do it? Sure they could. But they'd rather sell you two pairs of $500.00 skates than one. That's my whole gripe with them.

[forbs02 20]

I understand that you have a rip, but the tendon guard on the One90 skate is supposed to bend and be flexible. It does that even when the skate is brand new.

[TBLfan 25]

This is why I hate Nike and refuse to buy any of their products. Their shit falls apart, and I'm beginning to think it's meant to. I grew up wearing Bauer and never had the issues that you guys have here. Bauer skates were bullet proof. Then Nike buys them, jacks up the price and builds a product that lasts a year at best. *I mentioned a year because that seems to be the magic number on every post that I read here regarding NBH skates.* Think about it, do we see as many threads regarding Mission, Vector, Easton or Graf? JMHO...

We see more NBH threads because they are more popular. If you buy high end skates they are going to perform a LOT better than skates made 3 let alone 10 years ago. Performance means just that, they aren't made to be super durable. These aren't leather boots that you can wear until they literally rip off, these are composite skates... You want to talk about composite skates falling apart, you're talking Easton not NBH.

"If you buy high end skates they are going to perform a LOT better than skates made 3 let alone 10 years ago".

I agree 100%. That's not what I'm busting on them for. I went from 16 year old skates to Graf G3's, the performance & comfort is amazing. You guys don't know how good you have it!

"Performance means just that, they aren't made to be super durable".

So performance = shitty construction? Come on. On this thread alone we have Dare To Dream, greechbc9, Yipperzz, Wallin2199 (and SC37 knows a guy) all sharing a common gripe, their skates are falling apart.

Be honest, if you think NBH wanted to make a skate that performed as well as the One90 and was more durable could they do it? Sure they could. But they'd rather sell you two pairs of $500.00 skates than one. That's my whole gripe with them.

I never said that. Go buy a Ferrari and look how often it will be in the shop... Performance and durability do NOT go hand in hand.

[mew1838 0]

An "Performance and durability do NOT go hand in hand" that is one of the bullshit excuses we all hear. With more R&D, both can be accomplished.

[JPB_69 0]

This is why I hate Nike and refuse to buy any of their products. Their shit falls apart, and I'm beginning to think it's meant to. I grew up wearing Bauer and never had the issues that you guys have here. Bauer skates were bullet proof. Then Nike buys them, jacks up the price and builds a product that lasts a year at best. *I mentioned a year because that seems to be the magic number on every post that I read here regarding NBH skates.* Think about it, do we see as many threads regarding Mission, Vector, Easton or Graf? JMHO...

We see more NBH threads because they are more popular. If you buy high end skates they are going to perform a LOT better than skates made 3 let alone 10 years ago. Performance means just that, they aren't made to be super durable. These aren't leather boots that you can wear until they literally rip off, these are composite skates... You want to talk about composite skates falling apart, you're talking Easton not NBH.

"If you buy high end skates they are going to perform a LOT better than skates made 3 let alone 10 years ago".

I agree 100%. That's not what I'm busting on them for. I went from 16 year old skates to Graf G3's, the performance & comfort is amazing. You guys don't know how good you have it!

"Performance means just that, they aren't made to be super durable".

So performance = shitty construction? Come on. On this thread alone we have Dare To Dream, greechbc9, Yipperzz, Wallin2199 (and SC37 knows a guy) all sharing a common gripe, their skates are falling apart.

Be honest, if you think NBH wanted to make a skate that performed as well as the One90 and was more durable could they do it? Sure they could. But they'd rather sell you two pairs of $500.00 skates than one. That's my whole gripe with them.

I never said that. Go buy a Ferrari and look how often it will be in the shop... Performance and durability do NOT go hand in hand.

Performance and Durability can also go hand in hand: Porsche. :)

Plus, the guy that has the Ferrari doesn't use it as a daily driver now does he? He probably has a Mercedes or BMW as a primary vehicle.

[TBLfan 25]

You want performance and durability, take a look at mid level skates. Because we're using Ferrari's as daily drivers and we're grinding gears in the corner.

[JPB_69 0]

You want performance and durability, take a look at mid level skates. Because we're using Ferrari's as daily drivers and we're grinding gears in the corner.

If you're grinding gears in corners you shouldn't be driving a Ferrari! lol

Seriously, if you're happy with the skates and enjoy them that's great. I'm glad you like them and that they work for you. You know I'm not bashing you for wearing them, right? I just think Nike in general rips people off. If they spent half the money they spend on endorsing atheletes and advertising, and put it towards quality control we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Take care.

[killthepoodle 0]

You dont see a bunch a folks talking about how their supreme 70's, 8090's, XXXX's are falling to pieces.

The differences is these skates, high performance though they are, do not compromise their extra durability for any extreme lightness, flexible tendon guards, etc. In the 40's sake it seems they have gotten the vapor technology far enough to maintain the high performance without sacrificing durability.

If you want the cutting edge of performance you have to be prepared to be, at least to some degree, a product tester. These skates give up the mature technology to put the lightest, latest and greatest on your feet- and they are still making improvements.

We are talking about whole new production methods and materials- these things arent figured out overnight. Remember when race cars started moving to carbon fiber components? These things were falling apart after a few races- no one had figured out unprotected CF would break down due to UV rays yet. Did people stop using it? No- it was the best technology available for the top performance- faults and all.

Before condemning NBH, lets see how the one95's, the future one100's, etc hold up.

If you want durability, take a step down from the cutting edge of technology.

[wetwilly17 6]

those of you with the tendon gaurd problem: are you wrapping your laces around your ankle (and around the tendon gaurd). i see some people doing that (dont know why) and it can ruin the tendon gaurd because when you try to bend your knees it stresses the tendon gaurd.

[duch 0]

I don't want to bash either Nike/Bauer or Easton as I wear both brands and have had considerable durability with both. I like the on ice feel on both brands so I am very satisfied with my purchases. If I was going to buy a skate for long durability however,I would probably go out and buy a pair of 700 series Graf skates. But that's me and my opinion. I believe Graf makes one of the most durable skates overall on the market. I have heard rumors however the newer G series Grafs aren't as durable as their 700 series cousins which kind of blows that theory out of the water. Of course that would make sense since Graf has started using the same carbon composite materials in their skates as it's major competators. So now what?

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

I'm just going to end this thread by sayig that the flexible tendon guard is a great theory, however, it is hard to take into consideration 1) lower calf/ankle thickness across the board and 2) how people take off their skates. That's what did it in. My ONE90s never did that, but it happened to some people too.

[DarkStar50 680]

Nike, Nike, Nike, blah, blah, blah, its all their fault..... What will you do when Nike is gone in 6 months? And JR and I have met the people who design, modify, and build these skates. These people know more about the toe box of a skate than most people here know about an entire skate. They do not build the skates to fall apart. These people were in the NBH St Jerome building long before Nike came on board. Stop throwing the Nike name out there as your reason for the problem. They have changed the tendon guard on the ONE95 to the style/method used on the Vapor XXXX. They addressed the problem some guys, not everyone, had. Wait and see what happens. By then, Nike will be gone and you can piss and moan at good old Bauer.

[TBLfan 25]

You want performance and durability, take a look at mid level skates. Because we're using Ferrari's as daily drivers and we're grinding gears in the corner.

If you're grinding gears in corners you shouldn't be driving a Ferrari! lol

Seriously, if you're happy with the skates and enjoy them that's great. I'm glad you like them and that they work for you. You know I'm not bashing you for wearing them, right? I just think Nike in general rips people off. If they spent half the money they spend on endorsing atheletes and advertising, and put it towards quality control we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Take care.

I'm not defending them, I'm trying to inform you. Quality control is a small issue with NBH skates but you see this across the board from skates made overseas. Sure I do have Vapor skates but I'd be making the same arguement if you were talking about 9Ks or even the S15.

You are speaking as someone that is ignorant about skates and durability of these highend skates. I dont know, nor do I care, what skate you're in but if it's a current high end skate you are doubtfully going to get 5-10 years out of them.

Go ahead and say Graf, I dare you. Two words, composite outsole. NO high end current skate on the market will last like the skates 15 years ago, but the performance is unparalled. We're comparing geo metros to ferraris... and you shouldnt be driving a ferrari if you're grinding gears but you shouldnt be wearing a highend skate if you're not grinding it out along the boards.

[Cove 39]

An "Performance and durability do NOT go hand in hand" that is one of the bullshit excuses we all hear. With more R&D, both can be accomplished.

tossing money at the problem wont make it go away. It takes time to fix these skates. Half way through shipments of one90's they're not going to start changing them if 1/10 skates is having the tendon guard mess up. There going to make the tendon guard on the next skate better. They are always using the flaws of there old skates to either innovate the new skates, or fix the problems. Things take time.