jimmy 194 Report post Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) I am in the same boat. Happened last week luckily Step is close to me and has never been out when I have placed an order. I didn't look on the site but I take it you have to order from a US distributor? I thought I saw one before just wasn't sure.Yes, I go thru their distributor, that adds to the mess.. Would be nice to have them up the street! It's also tough getting CCM steel right from CCM, seems they are frequently out. There was a time I literally robbed steel from every skate in the store just to fill orders. Edited February 19, 2013 by jimmy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted February 20, 2013 Well I am just a sharpening shop now and only deal with Step I will not be stocking any other steel. Well until the new Bauer skates come out anyway then I won't have much choice! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy 194 Report post Posted February 20, 2013 I'm sure Step will have it's version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted February 21, 2013 I'm sure Step will have it's version.My understanding from Bauer is that the patented on this blade is such that it can not be copied? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR Boucicaut 3816 Report post Posted February 21, 2013 My understanding from Bauer is that the patented on this blade is such that it can not be copied?One, I have been told, they will enforce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy 194 Report post Posted February 21, 2013 I don't see that happening, replacement parts are exempt from patent protection, e.g, same as auto parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted February 21, 2013 I don't see that happening, replacement parts are exempt from patent protection, e.g, same as auto parts.This kinda makes a lot of sense actually........Well I sure hope Step can do it. It sure would be nice to keep going using there products at all times!One, I have been told, they will enforce.Jimmy Makes a lot of sense on this one here.......I wonder how they can do that when they havent on any others??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giogolf 9 Report post Posted February 21, 2013 Digging up an old thread because I could not find the information I wanted regarding Step Steel blades, so I am sharing my findings.So after a quick call to Step... "Al"l their blades are profiled to a 10ft Radius, with a neutral/slightly forward pitch. Also, the Speed XL (Xtra Long) runners which fit on the Tuuk lightspeed holders run 5-7mm longer than what comes stock on your skates. For example, my Nexus 800, size 7 come with 263mm runners 9ft radius stock... if I order Step XL Steel Runner at 263mm, I will get a runner that's profiled to 10ft, neutral pitch and 5mm more blade on the ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR Boucicaut 3816 Report post Posted February 22, 2013 This kinda makes a lot of sense actually........Well I sure hope Step can do it. It sure would be nice to keep going using there products at all times!Jimmy Makes a lot of sense on this one here.......I wonder how they can do that when they havent on any others???Does sense always prevail though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy 194 Report post Posted February 22, 2013 Does sense always prevail though?No, but the law does. I'm not sure on Canadian law but in the US, it's pretty clear about replacement parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted February 22, 2013 No, but the law does. I'm not sure on Canadian law but in the US, it's pretty clear about replacement parts.Well seeing as they are made in Canada I would be interested know if there is a similar law? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
watchgreat 4 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 If this is the case I don't see why Bauer would go through the hassle of patenting the shape unless they just want to prevent other manufacturers from trying to copy their quick release holder idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IniNew 53 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 If this is the case I don't see why Bauer would go through the hassle of patenting the shape unless they just want to prevent other manufacturers from trying to copy their quick release holder idea.Don't see why? Guaranteeing that you're going to buy Bauer replacement steel to fit your holder is a pretty damn good reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kessel'sOversizedSuit 18 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 Don't see why? Guaranteeing that you're going to buy Bauer replacement steel to fit your holder is a pretty damn good reason. Wouldn't Bauer be more concerned with selling the skate and ensuring that no other (skate) company can copy its holder/runner interface design?Having recently "converted" to Step steel, I can say that this will be my go to runner without question. If Bauer makes it so I can't use a step steel runner, I'd be less inclined to by a bauer skate if the competition did provide me with that flexibility. I'm sure I'm not alone here.Of course, I wouldn't put the heavy handed/short sighted approach past any of these companies... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IniNew 53 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 Wouldn't Bauer be more concerned with selling the skate and ensuring that no other (skate) company can copy its holder/runner interface design?Having recently "converted" to Step steel, I can say that this will be my go to runner without question. If Bauer makes it so I can't use a step steel runner, I'd be less inclined to by a bauer skate if the competition did provide me with that flexibility. I'm sure I'm not alone here.Of course, I wouldn't put the heavy handed/short sighted approach past any of these companies... The average user base is going to pick a skate over a runner. By far and away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsykes 35 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 No, but the law does. I'm not sure on Canadian law but in the US, it's pretty clear about replacement parts.But you also have to have the money to fight it. I'm sure Bauer has much deeper pockets to fight this than Step does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kessel'sOversizedSuit 18 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 The average user base is going to pick a skate over a runner. By far and away. I agree. Most people are going to buy for the skate. But why cut out the rest of the potential market in order to see a (marginal?) boost in runner sales?I'm inclined to believe that Step will be making replacement blades for the new holders. I don't know, but I can't believe for a second that the current bauer, easton, graf or RBK holders/runners aren't covered by patents. There's a reason they're all different. And yet Step has managed to provide replacements for all of them. Why would we assume it'll be any different for the new one? my guess is, it wont. but I admit its just a hunch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilPepe 24 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 What's most interesting to me is the difference in how CCM and Bauer seem to be treating the threat from Step. CCM will have a change in their top end steel in their new skates as well, but supposedly it is going to be a higher quality steel with a glossy polished finish... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR Boucicaut 3816 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 ...and with Bauer's LS3. At the very worst, it's made them aware that people are taking better steel seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
watchgreat 4 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 Don't see why? Guaranteeing that you're going to buy Bauer replacement steel to fit your holder is a pretty damn good reason. I don't see that happening, replacement parts are exempt from patent protection, e.g, same as auto parts.They are replacement parts. Therefore the patent doesn't stop step from making the blades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 This is to darn funny....http://www.bauer.com/cms-media/13/02/15978-BAUER-live-main-default-imagedata.pngFor ages we have been saying this why to use Step and all the while the companies have been saying it really does not make that much of a difference......now according to the site they have discovered this as if it is something new?? Really? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AIREAYE 248 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 I wonder how they got the figure of 7%...sample data? Higher level geometry? Simple angles? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted February 26, 2013 Who knows.. I just like the fact they admit that blades that are shorted do not work as well and boots hit the ice. It will make it so much easier to sell blades......"See it says right here on the site!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR Boucicaut 3816 Report post Posted February 27, 2013 I wonder how they got the figure of 7%...sample data? Higher level geometry? Simple angles?They collaborated with Blackstone and universities' studies. For all intents and purposes, they did indeed do their homework.As Jeff said (in a way) nobody really paid attention to steel. Most people don't know what their ROH is, let alone their blade radius. Sometimes I feel we live in a bubble here on MSH, but you have to think globally in this situation - I applaud them for bringing the subject to light.Who knows.. I just like the fact they admit that blades that are shorted do not work as well and boots hit the ice. It will make it so much easier to sell blades......"See it says right here on the site!"I think you're reading that wrong...they are talking about shorter turning radius, not shorter blade height. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AIREAYE 248 Report post Posted February 27, 2013 They collaborated with Blackstone and universities' studies. For all intents and purposes, they did indeed do their homework.As Jeff said (in a way) nobody really paid attention to steel. Most people don't know what their ROH is, let alone their blade radius. Sometimes I feel we live in a bubble here on MSH, but you have to think globally in this situation - I applaud them for bringing the subject to light.I think you're reading that wrong...they are talking about shorter turning radius, not shorter blade height.Mhmm, a lot of us fall under a unique segment populated with many opinion leaders to which companies rely on to pass along information, such as yourself. Heh I learned that in marketing; great course. Thanks for the insight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
