Good ideas gone wrong

[LkptTiger 1]

I have actually been looking to buy a set of PITCH holders from somebody who didn't want them, so I could get them put on my XXs, but I haven't had any luck.

Scratch that: Just found them at 1-800 Face-Off for $85. Anybody know if I can find them cheaper anywhere else? I would hate to buy them and then find 'em for $60.

[lee92 2]

well thats what i was trying to say chadd. i just didn't know how to word it lol. but i was trying to adjust it so they'd be like the grafs, but we looked in the hole for the bolt in the blade and there was very little steel left in the holder while on the setting. and itd be under a lot of stress and i wasn't gonna risk trying them out and having the blades break on me

[Chadd 916]

I don't like the forward pitch on mine but it was fine for the few games I used it. Keep in mind hte Mission steel is much harder than the other brands and shouldn't bend.

[lee92 2]

i didn't want to switch brands anyways and have to get used to a whole new type of skate. i was only considering the missions becuz my lhs was getting their grafs in soon enough

[Shorthanded67 0]

Putting a roller hockey point of view on this topic......

I think the Mission VIBE chassis (with the shocks) may have been a bad idea. I'll admit that I never tried them but I know tons of players who had trouble with the pieces on their chassis.

Also I wasn't a big fan of the Labeda Predator 5-wheel chassis (5 small wheels, either 59mm or 68mm). There's still a handful of players and goalies who swear by these things so it's a matter of opinion.

V-Form skates circa Pro Beach Hockey. 'Nuff said.

Inline hockey is still a relatively new sport with tons of new technology to come and either succeed (like 72/80 Hi-Lo setups) or fail. Of course most of this new techology to come would be involving skates/chassis/wheels.

[Briggy 0]

03 grip on the Easton shafts/sticks.

[cobrAA 0]

off topic, AIR-CORE are maybe one of the greatest stick ever!!!

I used 2 of them and i still have 2 other un-used 7035 for replacement and i bough 1 replacment blade 9007air core

And for people who said there sh*t...um im 6feet tall 14yr 180 pound bantam AA and play about 5-7 hours of hockey per week(and about 20 hours per week in winter)

I only break one in 1 year of use +all the time i played with in outdoor rink...

and there pretty well balanced because it not good to have a super ligth stick because you dont feel the puck pretty good

i said that because i used 3 one piece(v110,response,synergy) and never get used to them(too light the puck was feeling heavier then the stick)

in my opinion because they have wood core blade there one with the best feel...they last for a while....there cheap(100CND)....and there a bit heavy(yeah okay!)but they have a good blance on them

and if they were so sh*t why would sher-wood copy the idea of franklin air core??

[Stampeder 2]

I think the Si-Core was a good idea gone bad, but the little kids like it.

[Cavs019 710]

dont knock the si core, i mean, it feels exactly the same, but it IS pretty, especially that red one.

[wristshot19 0]

I thought that Sher-Wood still used the Air-Core technology in their Momentum line of sticks. Am I wrong here? If it was so bad then why keep it around? The same goes with composite outsoles.

Perf steel is/was a bad idea.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I think the Mission VIBE chassis (with the shocks) may have been a bad idea. I'll admit that I never tried them but I know tons of players who had trouble with the pieces on their chassis.

V-Form skates circa Pro Beach Hockey. 'Nuff said.

I tried the VSi Vibes, love the boot, hate the Chasis. I haven't had difficulties with it, but it's just way too heavy. The V-forms were the same deal. I didn't like them very much because they were incredibly heavy, turned my socks yellow (why I now go barefoot) and just weren't anything but a pain. However the quick in/out system was great. Half a turn and your set.

I loved the Aircore for roller, held up great. Considering it's price at the time, I would take that over my Vapor 10 shaft anyday.

[Reaper 0]

It's a great holder.

I second that.

I have been experimenting with the pitch holders on my S300's and found that +1 is a great way for me to maintain correct posture. Correct posture = no lower back pain. Definitely a good thing.

[joshy207 15]

I thought that Sher-Wood still used the Air-Core technology in their Momentum line of sticks. Am I wrong here? If it was so bad then why keep it around? The same goes with composite outsoles.

Perf steel is/was a bad idea.

Yeah, Sherwood bought the AirCore molds from Franklin when they got out of the hockey business, and that stick is now the Momentum.

I'm with most of you on the perf steel, it's no good.

I'm also torn on the composite outsoles--they may reduce torque and give you more power and all, but IMO they are the leading cause of bent factory-mounted holders and steel. Used to be with the soft outsoles, blades were either straight or maybe BARELY bent. Now, with the composite outsoles, the majority of new skates have bent blades.

[skates 3]

207, actually the comp outsole has nothing to do with bent steel, a full TPR outsole is at least 4 times stiffer in torsion compared to a XX comp outsole. It's more about the overall boot stiffness with little give but which is a performance requirement. It will be figured out one day.

[joshy207 15]

207, actually the comp outsole has nothing to do with bent steel, a full TPR outsole is at least 4 times stiffer in torsion compared to a XX comp outsole. It's more about the overall boot stiffness with little give but which is a performance requirement. It will be figured out one day.

TPR meaning the good old white plastic? Really... Thanks for correcting me.

The "bent blades" problem I'm talking about is not from use, but as a direct result of improper or careless mounting. When you're putting a blade on a skate with a TPR or other soft outsole, if you drill a hole that's a little bit off-center and your blade starts to line up crooked or bent, you can still rivet that hole and pull the blade back to straight because there's a little give in the outsole. Not the case with comp. outsoles, there's absolutely no "margin for error". If the person mounting blades doesn't take care to keep them straight, they won't be.

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

Yeah, the TPR is what was on the old Supremes. They had the partial one with the first Supreme Composite then made them full in later years.

I think the problem lies in the curvature of the new outsoles - due to the fact that they aren't flat anymore.

[skates 3]

Obviously the key step is drilling straight.....very true that there is hardly any margin for error. Now if the holder was very rigid it would not be as much of a problem...but the holder would feel dead....thats the fine balance developing a firm enough holder that has some movement for performance benefits & a holder that is stiff & keeps everything straight but would not perform as well.....at least in the perception of the player. It's quite a challenge.

[Karly14 21]

i dont get why you think the z bubble/ z carbon(focusflex) blade is a bad idea. ive been using that combo for like 3 years and ive had innos, si cores, vectors, M1's... i still like the bubble combo the best, is it just me on this? i didnt know it was considered a bad idea

[NashvillePreds 1]

I'll throw in the offset blade

[Chadd 916]

i dont get why you think the z bubble/ z carbon(focusflex) blade is a bad idea. ive been using that combo for like 3 years and ive had innos, si cores, vectors, M1's... i still like the bubble combo the best, is it just me on this? i didnt know it was considered a bad idea

They are bad when they break. Z-bubbles are not known for their durability.

[Karly14 21]

yea, youre right, they do break enoug i guess

[Scores 0]

I think Mission's current pitch chassis will go the way of the Doe Doe Bird real soon.

The doe-doe bird has been spotted in New Hampshire recently.

Too early to tell on Pitch - consensus here is that Pitch has been received well.

[Tom351 0]

Carbon Fiber Blade holders were a bad idea for sure:

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

I HATE THOSE.

Any sharpener will know why too.

[Tom351 0]

JR, I should have known that pic would scare you more than Michael Jackson as a babysitter.