The 2010-2011 Suspension Thread

[Krev 86]

He's like Avery in the regard. Turtles against the fighters, jumps the little guys or the skilled players who aren't good at fighting.

[Chadd 916]

Funny how he wants to play that way, and look at the fights he's actually been in: Kovalchuk, Richards, Drury, Pomminville, Callahan

I see you didn't mention Evander Kane, I'm assuming that's because he never actually threw a punch in that one?

He's like Avery in the regard. Turtles against the fighters, jumps the little guys or the skilled players who aren't good at fighting.

That's my problem with all the "agitators" in the league, no respect and no accountability.

[skyscrape 5]

I won't quote the youtube video above, but check out the last thirty or so seconds of the video! The Stamkos hit on Cooke was awesome! First time I saw that one!

[BenderHockey 127]

I've got a question for you guys: It's obvious that one could lump Cooke and Avery into the same category of "Pain in the ass Agitator", and I will agree that Avery has turtled when the bell has rung, and has said/done some STUPID things, but after seeing Cooke's history, would you put them into the same "Dirty, dangerous player" category?

[Krev 86]

I've got a question for you guys: It's obvious that one could lump Cooke and Avery into the same category of "Pain in the ass Agitator", and I will agree that Avery has turtled when the bell has rung, and has said/done some STUPID things, but after seeing Cooke's history, would you put them into the same "Dirty, dangerous player" category?

In short, yes, I would. Avery's incidents are less frequent, but he has the same lack of respect for everyone else on the ice like Cooke.

[HattrickSwayze 3]

I'm a Canucks homer and I don't like Getzlaf very much, but where do you guys stand on this hit last night?

[Trooper 8]

I'm a Canucks homer and I don't like Getzlaf very much, but where do you guys stand on this hit last night?

Can't see the issue with that. Getzlaf finished his check, Hamhuis follows through and turns away. Just a freak thing.

[Joshison 1]

I agree looked like he was just trying to finish his hit and Hamhuis turned away from the contact, I don't think it was dirty at all just because the guy got hurt doesn't mean its dirty.

[Krev 86]

I'm a Canucks homer and I don't like Getzlaf very much, but where do you guys stand on this hit last night?

I love how the announcer is claiming he jumped into the hit. Point of contact was on the ice, and it looks like Getzlaf was a little off balance at the point of contact causing him to leave the ice during the follow through.

Looks like a clean-ish hit. I could see cause for a boarding call, but the referee was watching the hit the whole way.

[KingPest19 0]

He's like Avery in the regard. Turtles against the fighters, jumps the little guys or the skilled players who aren't good at fighting.

This is going to sound kind of homerish considering my screen name but what fighters has he turtled against? Theres a difference between turtling and declining a fight. Yes he needs to back up his antics more but alot of the time his antics are trash talking or irritating people. While he does have some questionable or dirty plays its nothing like Cooke's laundry list and he usually answers the bell. When you look at his fights hes got a lot of guys on there that are known for fighting and are either his size or bigger than he is.

[chippa13 1844]

The league could take issue with Getzlaf appearing to leave his feet on the hit.

[maxamillion 3]

yea that's a rough one. i could see him getting 2 games for being careless.

[Krev 86]

This is going to sound kind of homerish considering my screen name but what fighters has he turtled against? Theres a difference between turtling and declining a fight. Yes he needs to back up his antics more but alot of the time his antics are trash talking or irritating people. While he does have some questionable or dirty plays its nothing like Cooke's laundry list and he usually answers the bell. When you look at his fights hes got a lot of guys on there that are known for fighting and are either his size or bigger than he is.

Here you go:

Avery is a puss, pretty much all there is to it.

[KingPest19 0]

Here you go:

Avery is a puss, pretty much all there is to it.

Declining and turtling are two different things. Call him a puss but he still drops the gloves with guys that know how to fight. Should he fight more? Sure but if he gets under guys skin by yapping and doesnt fight to give the other team a chance to gain momentum so what? Honestly what does he have to gain by fighting every time someone challenges over something?

[lampliter87 8]

Avery doesn't turtle??

[Krev 86]

Declining and turtling are two different things. Call him a puss but he still drops the gloves with guys that know how to fight. Should he fight more? Sure but if he gets under guys skin by yapping and doesnt fight to give the other team a chance to gain momentum so what? Honestly what does he have to gain by fighting every time someone challenges over something?

That is the exact same thing, in Avery's case. He declines to fight via turtling.

Find me one example where he drops the gloves with a known, proven fighter, willingly. You won't find one.

It's not about gaining anything. He's not going to gain respect, ever. It's about answering the bell when you're challenged, and backing up your huge mouth, which Avery is never willing to do.

[trevor13478 1]

I'm not a fan of Don Cherry in the least, I think he's as ignorant a homer as they come, but I completely agree with him about Avery and Cook: there's just no place for these guys in the league. I respect the role of an agitator and think they make for a great, entertaining game when they're chirping and causing trouble around the net, getting under guys' skin LEGALLY. A guy like that is a great contributer to any team for sure. But I have no respect for guys like this who just run around trying to hurt guys. Even the goons who are only on the team to fight at least respect the hockey code and only go after guys who play that same role. Avery and Cook prey on defenseless players and when a true enforcer challenges them, they back down. It's just gutless

[KingPest19 0]

Avery doesn't turtle??

Never said he didnt. The way people make it sound is he does all the time. Thats a video thats almost 5 years old.

[KingPest19 0]

That is the exact same thing, in Avery's case. He declines to fight via turtling.

Find me one example where he drops the gloves with a known, proven fighter, willingly. You won't find one.

It's not about gaining anything. He's not going to gain respect, ever. It's about answering the bell when you're challenged, and backing up your huge mouth, which Avery is never willing to do.

So declining a fight is turtling now?

Look at his fight card for where he drops the gloves willingly. Carcillo, Richards, Asham, Hendricks, Ott, Morrow, Tucker, Clarkson, Malone, Tootoo. All guys known to fight that are proven and guys hes fought in some cases multiple times.

Avery is never willing to fight? 10 this year so far, 7 last year, 5 the year before that, 6 the year before that. You act like he never fights and when he does its smaller guys and skilled players. If he fought every time someone challenged him over something real or perceived the guy would never be on the ice.

[Krev 86]

So declining a fight is turtling now?

You're not very good at reading are you. I said that in Avery's case, yes, that is exactly what it is. Not a general statement about players who actually can, and will, fight.

Look at his fight card for where he drops the gloves willingly. Carcillo, Richards, Asham, Hendricks, Ott, Morrow, Tucker, Clarkson, Malone, Tootoo. All guys known to fight that are proven and guys hes fought in some cases multiple times.

Fine, lets take a look.

Carcillo: The only way Avery gets him down is by pulling him down by the back of his head. Classy.

Richards: Since when is Richards a proven fighter? He's arguably the Flyer's most skilled player.

Asham: Meh, not a bad fight. Certainly not the Penguins toughest player though.

Hendricks: Actually a pretty good fight.

Ott: Other than their fight back in 2005, where Ott pretty much pummeled him, Avery won't fight him anymore when challenged.

Morrow: Decent fight. Started grabbing the back of Morrow's head towards the end. Really classy.

Tucker: Wrestling matches don't count as fights.

Clarkson: Funny that you mention Clarkson. Avery wouldn't fight him if given the choice. And when he does, he gets his ass kicked.

Malone: Not a bad fight. Avery got the worst of it though.

Tootoo: TooToo is a nutjob, possibly moreso than Avery. Got his butt whipped in that fight too.

Avery is never willing to fight? 10 this year so far, 7 last year, 5 the year before that, 6 the year before that. You act like he never fights and when he does its smaller guys and skilled players. If he fought every time someone challenged him over something real or perceived the guy would never be on the ice.

Ha. He's not. Of his 10 this year, he's willing dropped his gloves first in how many? 3? 4? And of those, it's against the players that aren't as well known for fighting. He picks his spots, and most, key word is most, of the time will not answer the bell when challenged like he should.

His fights in previous years? Pretty sure there is enough evidence to the contrary of him being a willing combatant. I'm done making my point. You're not gonna get it, and that's that.

Avery is a disgrace of a player, and like Cooke, does not belong in the NHL. The same could be said for a few other players, but those two are at the top of the list right now.

And now, I digress.

[troy 12]

Richards is actually a pretty good fighter, but as his importance to the Flyers has grown he fights much less frequently. Avery has also fought Hartnell, and he even

[WSjo22 1]

I'm a little late to the party with my response but would the Pens fans with the blinders on be feeling the same way if they were scraping Letang or Goligoski off the wall after Jared Boll or Derek Dorsett planted them from behind??? I don't think so, any justification for Cookes hit or ones that are similiar is ridiculous

[KingPest19 0]

You're not very good at reading are you. I said that in Avery's case, yes, that is exactly what it is. Not a general statement about players who actually can, and will, fight.

Fine, lets take a look.

Carcillo: The only way Avery gets him down is by pulling him down by the back of his head. Classy.

Richards: Since when is Richards a proven fighter? He's arguably the Flyer's most skilled player.

Asham: Meh, not a bad fight. Certainly not the Penguins toughest player though.

Hendricks: Actually a pretty good fight.

Ott: Other than their fight back in 2005, where Ott pretty much pummeled him, Avery won't fight him anymore when challenged.

Morrow: Decent fight. Started grabbing the back of Morrow's head towards the end. Really classy.

Tucker: Wrestling matches don't count as fights.

Clarkson: Funny that you mention Clarkson. Avery wouldn't fight him if given the choice. And when he does, he gets his ass kicked.

Malone: Not a bad fight. Avery got the worst of it though.

Tootoo: TooToo is a nutjob, possibly moreso than Avery. Got his butt whipped in that fight too.

Ha. He's not. Of his 10 this year, he's willing dropped his gloves first in how many? 3? 4? And of those, it's against the players that aren't as well known for fighting. He picks his spots, and most, key word is most, of the time will not answer the bell when challenged like he should.

His fights in previous years? Pretty sure there is enough evidence to the contrary of him being a willing combatant. I'm done making my point. You're not gonna get it, and that's that.

Avery is a disgrace of a player, and like Cooke, does not belong in the NHL. The same could be said for a few other players, but those two are at the top of the list right now.

And now, I digress.

Youre right he never willingly fights and all he does is turtle or jump smaller players or skilled players that dont fight. Despite evidence to the contrary. Fact is he fights, he fights guys that are bigger than him, he fights guys that know how to fight and he willingly goes with them.

[Chadd 916]

One off-hand comment spurs another dozen posts about Sean F'ing Avery? Next comment about him in this topic that isn't about a potential (or actual) suspension will earn someone some time off.

The league could take issue with Getzlaf appearing to leave his feet on the hit.

If that was a criteria for suspension, they would be suspending people on a nightly basis.

[Krev 86]

Here's a screencap from the Getzlaf hit.

Point of contact, skates are still on the ice.