VH Footwear/TRUE by Scott Van Horne

[Sniper9 517]

2 hours ago, Slick50 said:

Mine just went into production last week, might just switch to CCM 4.0 with blacksteel.  Coming from CCM Vector Pro's, True should be a welcomed change and I can't wait to get them.  

If you had any thoughts of not using the true holder you should've had them come unmounted and/or drilled to the holder you plan on using. That's what I did. It'll prevent the additional holder removal which could cause a slight increase in the rivet hole size, and also ensure the holes are lined up perfectly to the holder you're planning on using. Yes the holes line up more or less but from what I've heard and seen it's not exact. 

This isn't crucial but since the true skates are known for rivet issues in general, it'll minimize the chances of this happening even more. 

[adam14 182]

I still have durability concerns with the holder, same as when the Edge holder came out.

I don't see them being a big hit right away at retail. Wouldn't expect many apart from people in this thread to change out the holders on their Bauer's or CCM's.

How the equipment guys use them, at least here it hasn't been enough to sway many guys.

I look forward to what their approach is once they go live.

Edited June 18, 2019 by adam14

[Slick50 5]

12 hours ago, Sniper9 said:

If you had any thoughts of not using the true holder you should've had them come unmounted and/or drilled to the holder you plan on using. That's what I did. It'll prevent the additional holder removal which could cause a slight increase in the rivet hole size, and also ensure the holes are lined up perfectly to the holder you're planning on using. Yes the holes line up more or less but from what I've heard and seen it's not exact. 

This isn't crucial but since the true skates are known for rivet issues in general, it'll minimize the chances of this happening even more. 

I'll probably just keep the stock holders then.  

[Giltis 116]

2 hours ago, Slick50 said:

I'll probably just keep the stock holders then.  

I have the exact setup, True with SB4.0 and Blacksteel.

To me, the trouble was well worth it.

[Sniper9 517]

1 hour ago, Giltis said:

I have the exact setup, True with SB4.0 and Blacksteel.

To me, the trouble was well worth it.

I'm glad I did it as well. But if i har them come mounted with true holders I would've just used them until the holder broke or steel wore... So could've been never 😆

[Slick50 5]

5 hours ago, Giltis said:

I have the exact setup, True with SB4.0 and Blacksteel.

To me, the trouble was well worth it.

Did you put them on before the True's were on or did you do it after the fact?

[Giltis 116]

10 hours ago, Slick50 said:

Did you put them on before the True's were on or did you do it after the fact?

If you look back a little you can see the history of events, but the short version is that I did try the TRUE's for a bit (5 months), I wanted to give it a try at least. 

I didn't like the holders, they clicked when I walked and felt heavier/bulkier (not sure if it was actually heavier). To be fair, when I contacted them about the clicking issue, they sent new holders right away, but since I was going to have to take the holders off anyway and I had some SB4.0 Step's Blacksteel already from my older skates, I decided to put those on instead.

If I were you though, and if I could wait another month, I would try the new True holders that's going to come out. I certainly wish I had waited had I known.

[MrDucksworth 1]

Hey all,

Sorry in advance for the long initial explanation.

Lurked for a while, and actually read through probably 50+ pages in here. Quite a bit of info, and some funny stuff, but I digress... 

I've had my trues for about 5 weeks, but only skated on them 4 or 5 times. Bottom line is I absolutely love them. I had no idea going from a stock to a TRUE, would have this much control, comfort, and performance. It's crazy...
I do, however, have a small fit issue that I'm really hoping to get dialed in as much as possible. I've read quite a bit on the subject in here, and elsewhere, so I apologize for being repetitive, but I wanted to get some advice directly from the knowledgeable people here to make sure I do this in the best manner possible.

My issue: Heel-lock, and negative space

I ordered and baked from a place in Colorado, that was apparently the first VH fitter in the US back in the day, so I think he knows his stuff. However, he is fairly far away from where I live and I have an 11 month old girl, so obviously going to him to re-bake and tinker isn't the easiest thing. So I'm looking for advice on doing this at home, but I'll make the trek down if need be. 

What I've done:

- Baked at home; Heated to 180 degrees (turned oven off) then in for 10 minutes, then on the foot. Placed a clamp at the lower heel below the leather ankle area, also another slightly above that, then another near the middle eyelets (forefoot area). I did this for both feet. Also, I did not tie the laces too tight; definitely stuck to the 80% rule.

- Put in the red insoles for both skates (below my Speedplates - if it matters I am using those)       

- Adjusted tongue down as much as possible to secure toe box area for a more snug fit                 

Doing those things successfully helped the left skate a good amount to where I'm fairly happy, but the right still feels like I'm swimming in it. Also important to note: I am cranking on both skates laces when I play to try and get them snug. This is something I've heard shouldn't be necessary with True's... 

I was planning on getting some more red insoles from True to double down, possibly baking again at home, then as a last resort going back to my fitter. I do have doubts about what he can do that I can't, though (no offense meant to any fit specialists, I just feel as though I have the same tools to get this dialed in).

A few questions I have:

Did I bake them long enough? I wonder this as I know True's need to be baked longer. 

Any other suggestions or input? 

Thanks guys! 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2019 by MrDucksworth

[Sniper9 517]

1 hour ago, MrDucksworth said:

Hey all,

Sorry in advance for the long initial explanation.

Lurked for a while, and actually read through probably 50+ pages in here. Quite a bit of info, and some funny stuff, but I digress... 

I've had my trues for about 5 weeks, but only skated on them 4 or 5 times. Bottom line is I absolutely love them. I had no idea going from a stock to a TRUE, would have this much control, comfort, and performance. It's crazy...
I do, however, have a small fit issue that I'm really hoping to get dialed in as much as possible. I've read quite a bit on the subject in here, and elsewhere, so I apologize for being repetitive, but I wanted to get some advice directly from the knowledgeable people here to make sure I do this in the best manner possible.

My issue: Heel-lock, and negative space

I ordered and baked from a place in Colorado, that was apparently the first VH fitter in the US back in the day, so I think he knows his stuff. However, he is fairly far away from where I live and I have an 11 month old girl, so obviously going to him to re-bake and tinker isn't the easiest thing. So I'm looking for advice on doing this at home, but I'll make the trek down if need be. 

What I've done:

- Baked at home; Heated to 180 degrees (turned oven off) then in for 10 minutes, then on the foot. Placed a clamp at the lower heel below the leather ankle area, also another slightly above that, then another near the middle eyelets (forefoot area). I did this for both feet. Also, I did not tie the laces too tight; definitely stuck to the 80% rule.

- Put in the red insoles for both skates (below my Speedplates - if it matters I am using those)       

- Adjusted tongue down as much as possible to secure toe box area for a more snug fit                 

Doing those things successfully helped the left skate a good amount to where I'm fairly happy, but the right still feels like I'm swimming in it. Also important to note: I am cranking on both skates laces when I play to try and get them snug. This is something I've heard shouldn't be necessary with True's... 

I was planning on getting some more red insoles from True to double down, possibly baking again at home, then as a last resort going back to my fitter. I do have doubts about what he can do that I can't, though (no offense meant to any fit specialists, I just feel as though I have the same tools to get this dialed in).

A few questions I have:

Did I bake them long enough? I wonder this as I know True's need to be baked longer. 

Any other suggestions or input? 

Thanks guys! 

 

 

U should be able to tell if they were baked properly if they were soft when they came out. 

When I baked mine at home I did NOT turn the oven off. I kept it on at 180-190 for the entire 10 mins. I also did one skate at a time.  I also did each skate 5 mins on each side. I have a convection as well. 

Even if you didn't get the best bake or mould you shouldn't really be swimming in them. You should use the stretch wrap and or tensor technique on both the ankle and fore foot area and if that doesnt work then you may need a remake. You shouldn't have to crank on the laces at all. 

[Giltis 116]

If it's only been 5 weeks, I would contact them ASAP to start a conversation with them on what they suggest. @Sniper9 is right on the money with regards to that bake technique though.

[MrDucksworth 1]

23 minutes ago, Sniper9 said:

U should be able to tell if they were baked properly if they were soft when they came out. 

When I baked mine at home I did NOT turn the oven off. I kept it on at 180-190 for the entire 10 mins. I also did one skate at a time.  I also did each skate 5 mins on each side. I have a convection as well. 

Even if you didn't get the best bake or mould you shouldn't really be swimming in them. You should use the stretch wrap and or tensor technique on both the ankle and fore foot area and if that doesnt work then you may need a remake. You shouldn't have to crank on the laces at all. 

I would say they were decently pliable, but maybe not as much as they should be. I also did one skate at a time, but did not switch sides. I have a convection oven, but it only goes as low as 350 for that setting. I was told on a regular bake setting with it on the entirety of the 10 minutes it will ruin the skate.

Swimming may be an over statement, ha, but a lot of room. I compare it to my dress shoes I'm wearing right now; I can scoot my entire foot forward 1/4 inch or so (probably a little less). 
I did just see that video above of the stretch wrap, so I'll try that tomorrow (game tonight). 

Thanks for the reply, Sniper! 

13 minutes ago, Giltis said:

If it's only been 5 weeks, I would contact them ASAP to start a conversation with them on what they suggest. @Sniper9 is right on the money with regards to that bake technique though.

I was going to reach out to see about getting some extra red insoles, but I do think this is great advice so that they are aware of the fit issue given there is a warranty period, and get some suggestions. I did at least reach out to my fitter, though, so he's aware. 

Really appreciate the feedback. 

[Slick50 5]

1 hour ago, Sniper9 said:

U should be able to tell if they were baked properly if they were soft when they came out. 

When I baked mine at home I did NOT turn the oven off. I kept it on at 180-190 for the entire 10 mins. I also did one skate at a time.  I also did each skate 5 mins on each side. I have a convection as well. 

Even if you didn't get the best bake or mould you shouldn't really be swimming in them. You should use the stretch wrap and or tensor technique on both the ankle and fore foot area and if that doesnt work then you may need a remake. You shouldn't have to crank on the laces at all. 

I bought my shrink wrap and long shoe horn just in case the shop doesn't have them when I head back north to pick mine up and get baked.

[MrDucksworth 1]

3 minutes ago, Slick50 said:

I bought my shrink wrap and long shoe horn just in case the shop doesn't have them when I head back north to pick mine up and get baked.

I literally just bought some shrink wrap from Amazon for a home bake, but that's a real solid idea to bring it with you... My fitter was using those workout bands to wrap around it. 

[Slick50 5]

Not that I don't trust the guy, but I've watched and read enough here to know what needs to happen.  Glad whoever posted the new bake video.

[dnoboy 5]

3 hours ago, Slick50 said:

I bought my shrink wrap and long shoe horn just in case the shop doesn't have them when I head back north to pick mine up and get baked.

Good call, just ordered a roll. Expecting mine to arrive any day now. 

[Sniper9 517]

Not sure about the guys in the States but here in BC we have rolls of shrink wrap for 3 dollars for a roll vs 13 bucks at hardware stores. 

[VegasHockey 1256]

2 hours ago, Sniper9 said:

Not sure about the guys in the States but here in BC we have rolls of shrink wrap for 3 dollars for a roll vs 13 bucks at hardware stores. 

I order from Amazon and its only a few bucks. 

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

On 6/18/2019 at 6:12 AM, adam14 said:

I still have durability concerns with the holder, same as when the Edge holder came out.

I don't see them being a big hit right away at retail. Wouldn't expect many apart from people in this thread to change out the holders on their Bauer's or CCM's.

How the equipment guys use them, at least here it hasn't been enough to sway many guys.

I look forward to what their approach is once they go live.

The Word from the PHATS show is a resounding approval of the new holder overall from the NHL trainers. Seeing as most still have stock on Bauer mainly I would think it will be a year before there is a large change. 

 

Got to sharpen a pair tonight, one of my pro clients. Wow..  easiest of any quick release with very little effort to take the blade out. And there is no way that thing is falling out. 

If I didn't get in trouble I'd post. 

But WOW... its actually better than I thought it would be. 

You guys are in for a treat. !!

Edited June 25, 2019 by oldtrainerguy28

[Sniper9 517]

Two weeks and still haven't received my skates back from repair... Emailed a few days ago and no reply. Getting a bit impatient now seeing I've only had these skates for a month and have only been able to use them for two ice times. By next week it will be the same amount of time it took to have my skates made in the first place. 

Edited June 27, 2019 by Sniper9

[VegasHockey 1256]

On 6/22/2019 at 9:54 AM, oldtrainerguy28 said:

The Word from the PHATS show is a resounding approval of the new holder overall from the NHL trainers. Seeing as most still have stock on Bauer mainly I would think it will be a year before there is a large change. 

 

Got to sharpen a pair tonight, one of my pro clients. Wow..  easiest of any quick release with very little effort to take the blade out. And there is no way that thing is falling out. 

If I didn't get in trouble I'd post. 

But WOW... its actually better than I thought it would be. 

You guys are in for a treat. !!

There are so many cool things about the new holders..... It's honestly hard for me to contain myself. 

[VegasHockey 1256]

4 hours ago, Sniper9 said:

Two weeks and still haven't received my skates back from repair... Emailed a few days ago and no reply. Getting a bit impatient now seeing I've only had these skates for a month and have only been able to use them for two ice times. By next week it will be the same amount of time it took to have my skates made in the first place. 

You can always give them a call too if you aren't getting timely email replies. 

[smu 29]

Be patient Sniper9, your hurting after 2 weeks LOL.

I went through 20 weeks and still had nothing!

[IPv6Freely 2082]

1 hour ago, smu said:

Be patient Sniper9, your hurting after 2 weeks LOL.

I went through 20 weeks and still had nothing!

Oh? What happened?

[boo10 323]

26 minutes ago, IPv6Freely said:

Oh? What happened?

Behave! 🙂

[Sniper9 517]

7 hours ago, Nicholas G said:

You can always give them a call too if you aren't getting timely email replies. 

Ya I got a reply. Shipping out tomorrow. Kind of disappointed when the guy said he believed the same toe cap was kept. Only reason I sent it out was bc they initially said they'd likely have to change it. I'm interested to see how they "fixed" it. 

Edited June 28, 2019 by Sniper9