oldtrainerguy28

I have been trying to purchase for 2 years. Good luck. 😉

When I get home from overseas doing sharpening training I will send you a video of how many Newton's it takes ZERO . in worn holders. and I have had it happen in ones 3 months old. And was movable out of the jig. Stop the bs that it doesnt happen. I have had it happen in XS holders produced before a certain date( have to look again) but it's the laws of physicis. plastic cant lock in a more substantial material and keep it firm. Especially when on each stop on the ice the blade is under pressure and in some cases vibrates in hard stops. I also have slow motion video where you can see it flex. to the point it effects the stride. ex: A top gthl player in Toronto was about to play in the OHL cup last year at this time. He was in a scoring slump and not skating as well. Mother noticed it. I had mentioned numerous times they were lose but superstitious fidnt want to change. Mom who was an avid player herself made him come in so I could show him how bad they were. His new slates had arrived but didn't want to change to them as his coach Paul Coffey wouldnt allow it. Paul is funny like that. His kid no problem. anyone else on the team unless it's broken fix it dont replace Anyway we changed holders after I showed him and he tried on his new skates he could feel it. Player went in to lead the OHL cup in scoring and was drafted 5th overall. So yes it's a problem. Hope that's real world enough for you. You blow me away thinking we are making this up.

Blade Profile Study done at Brock University by Mike Mcgurk

Round and round we go. A. They stole the idea and didnt improve on it. B. Other companies are copying the blade C. Holder wears out in 3 to 6 months on high level players. And no offence to Flare a quality blade. It's worse with the extra torque the blade provides with it's high quality steel. Your turn. And on a side note there @pgeorganwhat's your deal about commenting on all my posts in a negative fashion on multiple topics?? Do you even know me?

Sure its relevant!!! There claim is they have patent for Y holder. The originator of Y holder couldn't afford to battle in court so they modified (poorly)and stole the idea. I was one of the first to notice the issue of wobble over time with agression and good slaters on here. I was bashed to know end about this. Yet Bauer modified the depth as per there own design team when I spoke to them at a trade show.. There are now a few threads on here about this issue. Its 100% a problem. Even @JR Boucicaut will tell you I was right even though for a while it wasnt seen by others. It's no where near as good as an LS2 holder or the new CCM XS for that matter.

Not sure how it will hurt them financially? They only produced that edge blade for a few years? Since then they now produce all of Trues steel? While they were the most popular in the NHL the CCM is gaining traction. Plus now they do more figure and so on. Set back sure. But I doubt Step would ever seem to them now. They offered to work then and Bauer refused. Would you work with them after they sued you?

I feel if you need a more aggressive pitch something else is missing in the fit. In a study done more than 1/32 nd forward had zero benefits to 80% of participants.

I'm in China at the moment so I cannot see any videos. But you never skate on the first or last inch of the blade. May you get there at the end of a stride or turn sure. But you are not skating on it. As for rounding the toe and heel soon as you do that you move the start and finish f stride to a shorter amount of blade? Just skate on a smaller radius through the middle if that's your main goal and leave the toe and heel except to blend into the shorter profile.

Actually I would do the opposite. Mark the new steel and then profile the blade on the closest profile to the older steel then take off less than half of what the marker says toe and heel. You don't skate on the toe and heel. You skate on the middle of the blade. if you need to reduce the profile to make it easier to turn you will turn far better with leaving the toe and heel

They maybe still buy the skates but most switch steel right away. And as mentioned Bauer did not invent the quick release nor is a great holder. the amount of play after a short time is just silly. Hopefully they will fix this issue now. And maybe just maybe there new super steel will be decent.

After what was posted above why dont you try as is?

I personally think quads are a waiste of steel. Except maybe the .5. But as inhave stated many many times 90% of the ones I see done never blend the toe so there not really quads But Even more so on Flare i think it's a total waiste of blade. Combo i can see but that's it.

So would you say a Quad is not worth the time on Flare? I can't see how it would be of any benefit with the amount of blade loss.

Shims are a far better option than profiling you are correct. 3mm is what you need. And yes the Shift is about that much.

Have you ever used any steel with a Quad profile before trying the Flare blades?

I'll make sure to tell the parents that. Thanks.

No idea what setting they used. They said they followed the in box instructions. Dows it really matter? And what do you mean if that actually happened?? It happened!!!

1. It was 2. Orginal Bauer steel was to low. 3. Never been sharpened anywhere but the S machine. And I have seen multiple machines not set properly do the same thing. So yes they can ruin a profile. A machine of any type not set up properly or not running properly can do damage. Regardless Giving the machine the label of perfection is just silly. Saying it's less likely for the S machine to make a profiling error when running properly is a more correct statement.

1. The skate blade was pitched 2/32nds backwards. That's a major problem. Child had knee and back pain. Thought it might have been the skates. 2. I installed proper steel. Step steel profiled and sharpened. 3. they called the company and walked them through adjustments. The child still feels my sharpening is better so I advised on what to do to make it feel closer to mine.

1. They did not realize there was an issue till pointed out. 2. They contacted support and made adjustments. And purchased new steel. 3. I'm pretty sure having used ever machine under the sun and sharpening for as long as I have with multiple championships I can help sort it out.

I was simply referring to my clients and some of the bad experiences they have had. That's all.

Why would I be surprised at the number of players no knowing what they use? I have been sharpening for 30 years! poorly educated staff regardless of the machine is the issue in every shop.

They didnt even know it was an issue. As i have seen with others from the US that came in. Not everyone knows what's good and bad.

They followed the instructions. Place skate in slot. Close slot. Push button. Besides I thought these eliminated human error? I have roughly 7 customers that have these. ALL come for profile and adjustments during the season. They are not perfect machines. If you have no knowledge of skate sharpening things can go wrong.

The machine wasnt calibrated properly. Or something was very wrong with it.