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Ok, I'll say it. You aren't experienced enough to make these claims as fact. You've had the machine what a month and you're telling people who've had them for years that your experience is fact and that no one can yield better/different results. And once again. That magic number of 40-60 pairs of skates is under normal use. Everyone here agrees, you are working outside the realm of normal use. I suspect your results will change as 1) you become more experienced with the machine and 2) start sharpening skates in better condition.

I think you are taking that 40 sharpening per ring (it's actually listed as 60) a bit too literal. I mean, just because you aren't getting those results doesn't mean others aren't. Hell, I've had the same 3/4 ring for a year and a half. From the site Talking to people who know the machine way better than me. I've heard under the proper conditions you can get 90 sharpenings out of a ring.

I think they'd need to be able to prove a claim like that. But anyway, its been said it's 320 passes per ring. However those 320 are used is entirely up to the user.

You want to go as flat as possible. Or as close to the ROH you intend on cutting? Fire vs ROH for that doesn't matter. I use the Fire ring because I have it.

Yeah, I gotta agree with @colins. Sounds like lfc is using his primary ROH ring as a cross grind ring as well as a sharpening ring. Might be worth it to grab another ring for smoothing out badly damaged and uneven edges. I have a 3/4 fire ring I use as a sudo cross grind ring. I clean things up with that then switch to the proper ROH ring for the actual sharpening.

They're black with a white ccm logo. Thicker foam then your basic factory foot beds. No arch to them at all. Appreantly not glued either. Just set into the skate with no lip or gap. I had to use pliers to get them out. Crazy comfortable, seems almost unrealistic.

I tend to do a fair amount of honing after sharpening on my Sparx, so no, I would not use it in a kitchen or any place like that. Mine sits nicely on a workbench in my basement.

That was my first thought as well as I always remove the foot beds after skating. They are CCM branded so I sort of assumed they came like that. My other thought was, they were just a base for whatever foot bed the user wanted. That seems unlikely. I've skated in them twice and they feel like a foot bed to me.

I just picked up some used CCM 70k's. Based on the labeling and the Made in Canada tags on the tongues they are either customs or pro stock. Anyway, the foot beds are not your typical skate foot beds. They are more like sneaker foot beds, soft and cushioned, and are glued in. Has anyone seen this before?

I think it depends largely on how big of a change in hollow you're cutting. When I go between 11/16 and 3/4 I can do it in less than 4 passes.

As long as you keeping the same hollow. I usually done one or two passes to freshen up my edges. If I am cutting a new hollow, I start with four and work from there. My daughters skates (used, but never sharpened) took six passes. The one or two passes after a few hours of ice time has yielded amazing ring life. I highly recommend this approach.

Hmm, I don't know. The skates Bergeron is currently wearing look pretty sweet. Guess bauer wins again... Lol

bundle or not, that's what I would get, especially if I planned on sharpening for other people.

My advice, get the 1/2" Fire for yourself along with a 1/2 & 5/8 ROH.

Level shaming, really?? Almost as bad a membership/post count shaming...luckily I got that one covered. You don't need to be playing D1 or in the show to know when something's wrong. Just because someone never played to certian level doesn't mean they aren't an experienced player. In short, settle down Francis. Onto Flare. The major hurdle I see, they are trying to crack a market lousy with brand loyality and skepticism. New tech and concepts aren't always welcomed with open arms. Could be great. They may not get a chance based on those factors.

Simple question. Do they not care because they don't want to pay for it, or do they not care because they don't notice it? I've been using edge holders for 5-6 years. I don't play at a high level, C level beer league, but I'm on the ice multiple times a week year round. The only issue I have ever had with the holder was one particular set of aftermarket steel. Which was out of spec and promptly replaced by the manufacturer.

I don't think you'll see the level of change you are describing. The Bauer holder, edge or otherwise has been a mainstay since the tuuk era began. Time will tell.

None of those companies had a holder/runner set up that was patented. You tend to just gloss over that. The goal should be to get the consumer in your product and not need or want someone else's steel. FWIW, I highly doubt people are not buying Bauer skates because they can't use a certain type of steel.

So you hate Bauer because other companies choose to comply with US patent laws... Seems totally reasonable. 🙄

Yeah, I'd agree, depends on what you have and what you are going to. I switch between 3/4 & 11/16 and 2-4 passes is good enough.

Adjusting the height takes a few minutes. Litterly move the ring to where it almost makes contact with the toe (gotta press and hold a button) and turn a dial to set the height. If someone's unwilling or too lazy to do that, they shouldn't be sharpening skates. The points at the toe and heel are vastly overstated and pale in comparison to things like uneven edges and ruined profiles.

This goes back to my point. It's not the machine, it's not the steel, it's the user. The ring is set to high, period. I've had mine for over a year now. Ive sharpened, LS3, LS4, Step & Tydan without issue. When I first got the Tydan, I had the same problem. The height I had set for my somewhat worn LS4 & and Step was too high. The ring actually stopped and errored out. All I did was drop the ring height by a click...maybe two. Problem solved. Put the steel in and manually bring the ring across until it makes contact. If the middle of the ring makes contact with the the vertical portion of the toe, then it's set too high. Again, this is not the machine. It's a user adjustable setting. When set properly the machine functions as intended.

If you take the time to set it up correctly (that includes ring height) and try and not over think it, it's fairly straight forward and easy to use. Really, the only thing the user needs to do is check the and hone the edges.

It was more the convince of it for me. I've said it many times, the machines biggest weakness is the sack of meat standing in front of it.

Yup, way too high. Try dropping it down a few clicks.