Players say new uniforms leave skates/gloves wet

[JGraz15 53]

So how long until the league fixes these problems?

[Rustpot 1]

So how long until the league fixes these problems?

Realistically, three seasons from now, unless Bettman leaves before that. RBK is probably happy as pigs in shit- everyone is talking about them and their products and who cares if the jerseys don't stand up, that just means more sales at the pro level to make up for the lack at retail.

Anyone know how long the RBK-NHL contract is for?

[DarkStar50 679]

Pro teams don't buy their jerseys at retail prices! 30 NHL teams replacing Edge jerseys adds up to zilch $. Edge jerseys ripping apart is not good news for RBK. Next thing you know the public perception is all RBK gear falls apart quickly.

I guess there was a reason hockey jerseys were built tough with double elbows, double shoulders and more. It could not have been more obvious since it worked for the first 90 years of the NHL.

[Wolfpack_1986 154]

Anyone know how long the RBK-NHL contract is for?

2014 comes immediately to mind

[the_game 452]

Pro teams don't buy their jerseys at retail prices! 30 NHL teams replacing Edge jerseys adds up to zilch $. Edge jerseys ripping apart is not good news for RBK. Next thing you know the public perception is all RBK gear falls apart quickly.

I guess there was a reason hockey jerseys were built tough with double elbows, double shoulders and more. It could not have been more obvious since it worked for the first 90 years of the NHL.

I know Pro teams don't buy jerseys at retail price but I've heard the new edge jerseys are still expensive in comparison to the older ones. And while the price is nothing like the retail price, from what I have heard (you may have better sources) Equipment Managers are expecting to have to replace the edge jerseys and socks more frequently b/c of rips and tears.

[Viking 1]

In conclusion: Every goal that the NHL set out for these new uniforms has failed. They were supposed to be 'safer' somehow, but they've been in use for two weeks, and players are already getting hurt because of them ripping. The players were supposed to be dryer, and now they have to play in soaking wet skates and gloves. And they were supposed to make the league look better, but every team looks like a bunch of fucking morons in them - they're too tight, all the new designs are awful, and every damn team looks the same because of the stupid 'template' idea... Which by the way, they've positioned as the reason that every team HAD to redisign the uniforms, and why every team looks the same, but look at Buffalo and Anaheim - they changed their uniforms last year, and their stripe/design patterns don't really fit any of the templates, and yet (unfortunately) neither team really had to change their uniforms at all. I don't buy this 'template' thing as the reason why the Senators/Penguins, and Panthers/Oilers, etc. have the same butt ugly uniforms as each other. As usual, emperor Bettman is naked, the league has a lot of explaining to do, a lot of egg on its face, and a big problem that it denies exists (see also: U.S. TV deal, attendance figures, Nashville Predators ownership, the unmitigated disasters and failures that are the existence of half of its franchises).

[chakal 0]

The jersey sales were up 300% last month in the whole league so forget about the NHL pulling the plug on them. 99% of the people buying jerseys don't use them to actually play hockey so they don't care about the sweat thing. The fluid repellent thing is nice since the spilled beer won't stain the jerseys, no word on nachos stain though. LOL

Edge jerseys aren't more expansive than the older one, at retail level, the replicas are more expensive than before, but the authentics are at the same price. They may seem more expensive to US buyers because they're made in Canada (authentics) and the US and Can dollar is now par. But other than that, they cost the same for us here in Canada (250$ without numbers and name).

I would be curious to have the goalies opinion about those jerseys. Did pucks could slip between the arm and the body with more ease when making a save? That would be a bad thing. Do goalies have the same soaking skates and gloves problems?

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Edge jerseys aren't more expansive than the older one, at retail level, the replicas are more expensive than before, but the authentics are at the same price. They may seem more expensive to US buyers because they're made in Canada (authentics) and the US and Can dollar is now par. But other than that, they cost the same for us here in Canada (250$ without numbers and name).

Not true -

They are more expensive than the 6100 authentics.

That retail store was overselling the 6100.

I am going by dealer cost here.

[chakal 0]

Not true -

They are more expensive than the 6100 authentics.

That retail store was overselling the 6100.

I am going by dealer cost here.

I was talking about the retail price. But you're in the US, so if your were buying from RBK the previous jerseys 1$ CAD, some years ago (4 years) it was like .60 US$. Now that 1$ is 1$ both CAD and US so your cost price is almost doubled while here in Canada it's the same price. The Edge authentic jerseys are made in Canada, so of course, your cost price seems higher when bying from RBK now. But there's probably other factors too, like RBK trying to get their R&D investment back on those jerseys.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

That's all well and good...

...but the cost price was determined LAST year. It is not like they changed the price when the CAD rose.

[chakal 0]

That's all well and good...

...but the cost price was determined LAST year. It is not like they changed the price when the CAD rose.

That's true. But the experts are talking about the par $ since 2 years. Don't know if you talk a lot about it in the US (if you care or not) but here it's a big thing. A lot of Canadian industries are doomed because of it, buying in Canada is getting too expensive for US customers, tourism and manufactured stuff is getting a big hit from that. People in the printing industry are going totally insane and they're freaking and laying workers off like crazy.

Also, I'd be curious to see how much in R&D RBK spent in the edge jerseys. I know a lot of the work was already done by their football jersey division (RBK Edge jerseys are like football jerseys but with long sleeves), but still, it must have cost a lot.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

It's expected to be more money as there is more to the jersey.

[Cove 38]

I dont think this will affect jersey sales that drastically. Most fans dont use the jerseys they buy FOR hockey playing purposes. But i can certainly see this as a problem for players, especially with the skates being sloshy inside.

If i'm not mistaken, some players complained of this problem when they were testing them earlier this year? ...you'd think they'd have adressed it.

The jerseys are horrendous tho, so nobody is going to buy them because of that.

[Chadd 916]

I dont think this will affect jersey sales that drastically. Most fans dont use the jerseys they buy FOR hockey playing purposes. But i can certainly see this as a problem for players, especially with the skates being sloshy inside.

If i'm not mistaken, some players complained of this problem when they were testing them earlier this year? ...you'd think they'd have adressed it.

The jerseys are horrendous tho, so nobody is going to buy them because of that.

Jersey sales are way up over last year.

[camhockey16 5]

One of the Penguin games last week the tv announcers (Bob Errey, Paul Stiegerwald) specifically said that RBK is working on correcting the problems with the current EDGE jerseys, specifically the sweat going into your gloves and skates and that all the players were somewhat surprised that RBK was willing to listen to their complaints and make changes.

Of course they didn't say when it would be fixed by - but at least it sounds like they are trying to fix their mistakes..

[jay 1]

Can they do something about the silly arm cut while they're at it?

[Perry94 0]

What I don't get is why every team in the NHL has to follow the same template. You'd figure that with the hundreds of thousands of dollars RBK poured into the R&D department they'd be able to make jerseys that could both "work" and look half decent.

[Aussie Joe 0]

Behind the scenes, NBH is laughing their asses off. They tried the Swift jersey at the Olympics and were ready to make the push with that jersey. After the disaster at Torino with Team Canada in particular saying the jersey was horrible, NBH dumped the project in a nanosecond. Now as NBH watches RBK fall into the trap with this Edge mess, it is once again the NHL that looks like knuckleheads.

Could somebody at the NHL get it right just once? Not all the time, not every time, just once? Is that so hard to do? Just wondering.........

Anyone else noticed the team WITHOUT the swift jerseys won the Gold medal as well?

[RadioGaGa 162]

Behind the scenes, NBH is laughing their asses off. They tried the Swift jersey at the Olympics and were ready to make the push with that jersey. After the disaster at Torino with Team Canada in particular saying the jersey was horrible, NBH dumped the project in a nanosecond. Now as NBH watches RBK fall into the trap with this Edge mess, it is once again the NHL that looks like knuckleheads.

Could somebody at the NHL get it right just once? Not all the time, not every time, just once? Is that so hard to do? Just wondering.........

Anyone else noticed the team WITHOUT the swift jerseys won the Gold medal as well?

You said that NBH "dumped" the project...What is different between the Swift jerseys in Torino to what Team Canada wears now?

[cause4alarm 7]

"By the end of the second [period] or the start of the third, your skates are sloshing around and you have to change your gloves because they're [soaked]."

I know the pros are all made out of money, they get tons of free gloves thrown at them, and the fancy new jerseys themselves are tres chers and probably comparable in price to gloves, but wouldn't it just be simpler to change jerseys instead of gloves between periods?

[LkptTiger 1]

Jersey sales are way up over last year.

Are the full-price EDGE-style figures up? Or is it possible that sales have jumped because everyone is buying the "old" authentics on clearance?

[DamnLocust 0]

wouldn't it just be simpler to change jerseys instead of gloves between periods?

This would do nothing as it's not the jerseys that are retaining moisture. The problem is the exact opposite: Since the jersey repels moisture, it runs along the jersey/socks into the gloves/skates.

[cause4alarm 7]

This would do nothing as it's not the jerseys that are retaining moisture. The problem is the exact opposite: Since the jersey repels moisture, it runs along the jersey/socks into the gloves/skates.

I don't know if they would do absolutely nothing. The fabrics do retain

some amount of moisture--they're not like sauna suits or sealed watertight PVCs.

Also, I find it strange that this is all of a sudden a big issue given that wicking fabrics aren't new in any sense. Hockey players have been wearing longsleeve hydrophobic undershirts and longjohns for years now. So what exactly is it about wearing a wicking outer layer that is causing this phenomenon?

Whenever I play hockey, my jersey usually isn't soaked. That's because I don't sweat through both my under layer and my pads and into my jersey. If my jersey is drenched at the end of a game, it'll usually be due to squirting water all over myself.

If this is the case, that the moisture in the gloves and skates is due to water rather than sweat, then that actually might leave more possible solutions to this problem.

Is it clarified anywhere whether the moisture is mostly from water or from sweat?

[#96 0]

This would do nothing as it's not the jerseys that are retaining moisture. The problem is the exact opposite: Since the jersey repels moisture, it runs along the jersey/socks into the gloves/skates.

I don't know if they would do absolutely nothing. The fabrics do retain

some amount of moisture--they're not like sauna suits or sealed watertight PVCs.

Also, I find it strange that this is all of a sudden a big issue given that wicking fabrics aren't new in any sense. Hockey players have been wearing longsleeve hydrophobic undershirts and longjohns for years now. So what exactly is it about wearing a wicking outer layer that is causing this phenomenon?

Whenever I play hockey, my jersey usually isn't soaked. That's because I don't sweat through both my under layer and my pads and into my jersey. If my jersey is drenched at the end of a game, it'll usually be due to squirting water all over myself.

If this is the case, that the moisture in the gloves and skates is due to water rather than sweat, then that actually might leave more possible solutions to this problem.

Is it clarified anywhere whether the moisture is mostly from water or from sweat?

Good question, probably both water and sweat. I really think the players are trying to do everything they can to resist change.

[asdfa 0]

the EDGE jersey is hydrophobic, which means it's not really sweat wicking, rather it repels it, wicking undergarments are (in part) hydrophilic and soak up sweat. what ends up happening is the sweat that's drawn off the skin gets trapped between the the base layer and the jersey in a layer of relatively stagnant air and is not being dried off or absorbed.

Cant RBK change the material the jersey's are made out of?