hunt3rsean 44 Report post Posted December 26, 2012 While we are on the lie discussion, I have always wondered why even using a low lie sakic/p92 i always got some heel tape wear, this is from the Easton 2013 catalog and kind of answers my question.That actually explained a lot to me. Haha. Lie is one of those things that has been explained to me 100 times but I still have a hard time understanding it vs stick length. II've found the stick length that works about perfect for me, but now it's narrowing down on a blade pattern/lie that compliments that. I'm close, but need to experiment just a bit more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splitbtw 2 Report post Posted December 26, 2012 usually going to a lower lie means you need to go longer. A lower lie at the same length will put more blade on the ice, moving the wear towards the middle. A shorter shaft would raise the heel, assuming the player uses the same hand position Again, resulting in more of the blade on the ice and moving the wear towards the middle. Is this just for that posters case or in general? I guess I always looked at it as lower lie, longer stick and higher lie, shorter stick. But maybe I've been looking at it all wrong. Also, played with a shorter stick at pickup again and didn't lose much in reach or shooting and gained again in stick handling. Also forced me to go back to a deeper knee bend and not be so upright. I'm excited to put both the shorted stick length and desired blade together and see what that yields. Also, I did find that I need to made my dangles quicker because I don't have the extra reach to allow slower move,net further away from my body. This is easily one of my favorite topics. Also kudos to the poster that attached that easton picture. Little bit of a lightbulb moment for me as we'll regarding lie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted December 27, 2012 yes, you will generally use a longer stick with a lower lie. The suggestions were how to address the wear at the heel that was depicted in the previous post. If there is wear at the heel, you need to go shorter or go to a lower lie if you prefer that stick length. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strosedefence34 175 Report post Posted December 27, 2012 yes, you will generally use a longer stick with a lower lie. The suggestions were how to address the wear at the heel that was depicted in the previous post. If there is wear at the heel, you need to go shorter or go to a lower lie if you prefer that stick length. i read your post from earlier when you said lower lie longer stick, but I was going off the wear of the tape of my stick. I was using a P88 and just switched to an iginla and was getting a lot of wear at the heel. So I cut my stick down a little and it felt much better. I am still getting more wear on the heel but I only played with it once since I cut it so I want to give it a little more time before I hack off more of this stick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted December 27, 2012 i read your post from earlier when you said lower lie longer stick, but I was going off the wear of the tape of my stick. I was using a P88 and just switched to an iginla and was getting a lot of wear at the heel. So I cut my stick down a little and it felt much better. I am still getting more wear on the heel but I only played with it once since I cut it so I want to give it a little more time before I hack off more of this stick.The most important thing is how it feels to you. P88 is a 5.5 or so lie, it's very similar to the Iggy with more rocker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NOVECHKIN 3 Report post Posted February 4, 2013 I've been playing hockey since I was five and now playing over 40 hockey. I'm 6'0" tall and recently, I've felt that my stick has been getting in the way! Yesterday, I cut my APX, 85 flex down 3" from stock, and the length felt way better during my game. Just wondering who cuts/adds to their sticks and their thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockeymass 11 Report post Posted February 4, 2013 I'm between 6'0" and 6'1" and I cut mine down so that the end of it comes up to around my mouth or a little bit lower when in bare feet. I find that it's a bit more maneuverable and sits at a better angle with a P88 pattern than when I used to cut it to nose level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC6694 2 Report post Posted February 4, 2013 I cut mine depending on how it feels on the ice. I start at nose off skates when I get the stick and will play with it that way. If I don't like how it feels I trim off a little more until it feels right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyster110 3 Report post Posted February 4, 2013 i cut mine so it comes up to about my chin in skates, as a d man i like the extra reach and better shot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beedee 227 Report post Posted February 4, 2013 At an astounding 5'7, I cut my sticks as well. I generally cut it around my top lip without skates on, but I just picked up a new stick last week (warrior dynasty) and cut it about a 1/2" shorter than my old stick (warrior dolomite). Last night I used it and it did feel pretty good, kept me a little lower to the ice, but I did notice that I couldn't quite reach some pucks when extending with one hand that I might have been able to with my old stick. I know it's only a 1/2", but it is enough to notice a difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlp15 13 Report post Posted February 4, 2013 I've never used a stick a longer than my chin on barefeet. Being 6'2 and having long arms I can get the stick out anywhere for pokes but stickhandling and shooting I like pulling it right into my feet before I shoot lol so short stick for sure! Long stick's seem ridiculous unless your a D man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted February 5, 2013 new topic merged into older one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amiroo39 121 Report post Posted February 5, 2013 At an astounding 5'7, I cut my sticks as well. I generally cut it around my top lip without skates on, but I just picked up a new stick last week (warrior dynasty) and cut it about a 1/2" shorter than my old stick (warrior dolomite). Last night I used it and it did feel pretty good, kept me a little lower to the ice, but I did notice that I couldn't quite reach some pucks when extending with one hand that I might have been able to with my old stick. I know it's only a 1/2", but it is enough to notice a difference.ya half an inch is more than noticeable, I wanted to cut down my stick an extra inch, so i did it it in two increments of 1/2 an inch. each 1/2 inch took about 4-5 skates to get used to. I also noticed that playing in a lower stance helped a lot. but 1/2 cut down is def noticeable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amiroo39 121 Report post Posted February 5, 2013 P92 lie 5can anyone throw some curves at me with a p92 lie 5?? I had a Covert Kopitar lie 5 (Warriors 5 is like a lie 6 compared to bauer..right?) and i loved it, but I was finding a lot of heel tape ware. The other thing I wonder is if I had cut it another half inch it may have helped.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KoT 2 Report post Posted February 5, 2013 P92 lie 5 is true 5.5 lie. Warrior lie 5 = Bauer lie 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted February 5, 2013 P92 lie 5 is true 5.5 lie. Warrior lie 5 = Bauer lie 6.The normal P92 is a 5.5 lie, not the 6 that is listed. A lower lie version would not also be a 5.5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KoT 2 Report post Posted February 5, 2013 ChaddNo Chadd. Check next picture, here it is P92 Lie 5 (Bottom) to a RBK p87a Lie 6(Top): Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper9 530 Report post Posted February 5, 2013 wow.. i never knew the NHL's regulation length was 63 inches... So I guess the reason why most players have sticks that are under their chin could be the fact that they are just tall..... So that link posted in page 1 was more of a coincidence thing possibly? In the end of the day it is personal preference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BucksAway 16 Report post Posted February 5, 2013 nope, tall players get exceptions if they would like a longer stick then 63" inches, of course it has to be allowed by the league but chara's stick is 65"-66" along with other players that use longer sticks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper9 530 Report post Posted February 6, 2013 nope, tall players get exceptions if they would like a longer stick then 63" inches, of course it has to be allowed by the league but chara's stick is 65"-66" along with other players that use longer sticksYah, but a player who is 6'4, do you think they would get an exception? I think the average player in the NHL is well over 6'o" tall... so a stick with a legal limit of 5'3, would be about 7 inches inches shorter than those who are 6'0". I would like to know what your height would have to be, in order to request for a length increase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockeymass 11 Report post Posted February 6, 2013 Yah, but a player who is 6'4, do you think they would get an exception? I think the average player in the NHL is well over 6'o" tall... so a stick with a legal limit of 5'3, would be about 7 inches inches shorter than those who are 6'0". I would like to know what your height would have to be, in order to request for a length increase. Keep in mind that this measurement is from heel to butt of the stick, not from toe to butt. Players over 6'6 can be granted exceptions, but only up to 65 inches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted February 6, 2013 ChaddNo Chadd. Check next picture, here it is P92 Lie 5 (Bottom) to a RBK p87a Lie 6(Top):Actually, that proves me correct. The two manufacturers use different scales for lie. A CCM or RBK 6 is the same as a 5 for Easton and it looks like the Bauer 5 is pretty close to that as well. Just as I said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 65 Report post Posted February 6, 2013 Chadd's right. The Bauer 6 and Warrior 5 are the same. The CCM/RBK 6 is really close to a Bauer or Easton 5 or Warrior 4. Just line up the shafts and you can see for yourself. Obviously blade rocker and the method for measuring lie play into the discrepancies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iron Mike 1 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 Chadd's right. The Bauer 6 and Warrior 5 are the same. The CCM/RBK 6 is really close to a Bauer or Easton 5 or Warrior 4. Just line up the shafts and you can see for yourself. Obviously blade rocker and the method for measuring lie play into the discrepancies.Can anyone verify the accuracy of this comparison between each brand's blades ( CCM/RBK 6=Bauer/Easton 5=Warrior 4, roughly)? It would be very helpful for me as I'm finding my lie. Also, are there exceptions within brands to these typical lies listed (e.g. does the p92 have typical the typical bauer lie?)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vet88 674 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 I've had sticks from all those manufacturers in either a zetterberg like curve / lie and a sakic like curve / lie. The list is pretty much correct for all retail sticks I have had but pro stock sticks may come with different lies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites