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Let me start by making a statement, take it how you will, but it is not an attack. You need to learn to argue the points people are making, not what you think you are hearing. NOBODY said a rule change would have prevented what happened. NOBODY said they are opposed to helmet companies making helmets safer. Straw man arguments just lead to people not taking you seriously. What WAS said: There are multiple ways to address most problems. The difference between no helmets and today's helmets is huge, but we are close to the point of diminishing returns. Concussion research evolves but they still don't know everything. Helmets have probably hit the point where they have done all they can to help mitigate, which is not much since many (most? don't have data) concussions aren't from direct impact. What WAS said: Someone who works in a field that uses data and probability feels that rule changes would have a bigger IMPACT (he didn't say it would have prevented it as you accused him of) on many high-risk scenarios. Argue your points as vigorously as you want, but argue against what people are actually saying.

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There is more to it than just make it better. A better helmet would break on impact, like bike and motorcycle helmets. Football and Hockey can't design a helmet like that. Mission tried. So they go other routes and continue to get better. Now take the culture part of it and you add another dimension. Don't say looks don't matter, there are countless helmets that made it all the way to production but were shunned by the consumer. Cooper Armadillo comes to mind. Then you have habits and resistance to change, we all have those tendencies. They asked Gretzky to change to a more protective helmet as a better example and he wouldn't do it. There are many other factors why there isn't a perfect helmet.

Never made any allusions that they weren't, I simply called them what they are

Not sure it helps but this is why I dont remove those ear flaps....

Look at the title of this thread: "Could this serious head injury have been prevented with the proper gear?" It was intentionally named that. In the post I was referring to, the guy basically said that it's better to focus on rule changes and changes in player technique rather than the helmet itself. But why NOT focus on the helmet? You have valid points about concussions in general but maybe you guys made a mistake and meant to post them in another topic? I'm talking about a particular area of the helmet, the ear/temple area, that currently does not have any padding whatsoever and could possibly be expanded for more coverage, not about concussions in general (which I agree with you that we cannot eliminate all of them). SirJW, you're making the most sense out of those who are just saying it was a fluke, forget about it, if it happens it happens, etc. I'm not asking for a complete re-design of the helmet or forcing everyone to switch to a new helmet. Why not leave existing helmet models and people are free to continue using them but create a new model that concentrates more on safety at the ear/temple area that people can choose to get or not to get? I would bet there is a market for that, given the tragedy that just occurred. I'm betting there would be a market for it particularly for parents who would want their kids wearing something safer. After what just happened, I would want my kids wearing something safer in that area, wouldn't you?

If there’s a difference, it isn’t much. kucherov and P28

Well. said. If anyone is interested in reading a book on this topic, Game Change by Ken Dryden is fantastic. He chronicles the life of Steve Montador, while really getting into the concussion crisis in the NHL. He does a great comparison between "old time hockey" and today's game. And he offers some actionable solutions. No pulpit blathering for Mr. Dryden.

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Nobody is saying they are opposed to it, just that they don't expect to actually see this happen. BTW, you can just wear a ski helmet if you are concerned.

Its a freak accident but making a "better" helmet cost money. And last time I check, these businesses aren't around for charity. The "Cost Benefit" isn't there for companies to pour in mad $$$$$ for R&D to create said helmet. This is a brutal occurrence that RARELY happens. Every time we strap up to step on the ice, there is always a chance that we won't make it. It sounds crazy only because odds are high stacked in our favor that we can return to the locker room and complain how much we stink ha. This is always an opportunity to be thankful for being alive. Technology will always improve but it can't prevent death 100% of the time. That's the harsh reality of sports and life.

Twice that we have ever heard of given the millions of times a puck is shot/dumped/deflected/etc constitutes practically never in my book and probably anyone else who actually objectively looks at risk through a rational lense. i didn’t comment on what i WANT helmet companies to do, I have no reason to want them to do anything. My comment is about what is going to drive their product decisions. Unlike concussions, there is not a problem the market sees that would warrant a new product to solve. You can’t eliminate risk in many cases, you decide how much residual risk you are comfortable with.

V08 from my experience is the closest. I wore 4500's back in the day and then switched to V08's which I wear now. I've tried the Resistance 100 which was way too square/round, not very oval, and also have an IMS9 which just doesn't feel quite right, it feels ok at first but I can never get past 10 minutes without it getting uncomfortable.

The web site says Copyright 202, so rest assured this is a long established company. You don’t last 1819 years without providing quality products. There are countless off ice practice puck patents, yet this looks identical to Green Biscuit, so I guess the patent expired. I pay about $20 per Green Biscuit in the UK.

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