BenBreeg

Striking only works when it causes pain elsewhere, that is the leverage. Looking at EJB’s numbers, people aren’t going to be shouting from the rooftops to bring this back.

I thought I heard that the business model of the CWHL didn’t have franchises and the league owned the teams. I may be wrong but there certainly has to be a sustainable business structure in place. It may be a chicken or the egg thing. Does it need support to incubate and then self-sustain? What markets can support a team? I really like watching womens international hockey at the highest levels but within that there is a pretty significant drop in the quality once you get past the best teams. What is the level of play like here? Pro sports are just an entertainment business so I wonder what the market is for this?

Chewie!!!! RIP Peter Mayhew, May the Force Be With You! i have a signed Chewie picture from him, I remember being so excited to get it.

Not trying to be a d@*k, addressing the arguments. The approach to risk of all type is reduction, not absolute precention because that is a hard if not impossible standard to demonstrate. Their methods and conclusions may be BS, but just because some qualified people disagree doesn’t make that fact either. There is often disagreement in methodology and interpretation of results by intelligent people on both sides. As for the “data whores”... you are veering off the argument and making it personal but more importantly, this is a data driven argument. So it is just natural for some of us who may operate in areas that deal with the engineering and risk to follow the same logic conversations in our domains would, and that is to require validation of assumptions. It is not meant to be personal but if it came across that way I apologize and am going to bow out of this thread so that we can preserve a positive atmosphere on this board.

Most likely because on the internet there is never a shortage of people giving opinions about things they don’t really understand.

So hard to like that guy but I also can’t imagine they will do anything more than a fine.

1) What data has validated the ideal fit? Should a helmet fit the same everywhere and make contact at the temples the same as the back and forehead? Who says slight fit variation is a sufficiently contributing factor? 2) All research, especially those involving possible harm to humans start on a bench. It is easier to isolate variables and build the data set. Do you know how many subjects would have to participate in random on-ice testing and how much instrumentation would be required to account for all the variables that needed to be captured to make accurate conclusions? Not to mention the ethical issues involved in any kind of study like this. 3) The lack of logic of this statement requires no response. 4) Psychology permeates everything, but again, have you data to show this? One could then argue that without safety ratings cost would just lead to the same conclusion, as the safety is implied by the cost of the helmet.

Technically icing isn’t but given the lack of an actual line and the fact that the linesman is probably making the call from a bit of an angle it is certainly going to have some subjectivity to it.

Since we are debating testing methods then it isn’t a question of meaningless semantics, not that difficult a concept.

You can collect data on whatever you are measuring. Sensors can collect force delivered to a spot, the direction of the force can be measured. That data would be valid. The interpretation of how that data would translate into something as complex as concussion prevention is something different. That is why when you read the news the headline is usually some big leap of logic suggesting that science has found the answer or something ridiculous and when you read the story the scientist merely says, "We have data that could suggest blah blah blah but more studies are needed." People collect valid data all the time and misinterpret the results.

If the data is as collected properly the data is good and valid, you may disagree with the connections made and conclusions drawn. I would ask where the data is that determines proper fit? Should a helmet fit the same on all parts of the head? I would argue that most people don’t try on 10 different models of helmets, the pick a model and buy it. They may find it so uncomfortable they try a second model but as far as perusing model upon model I doubt it. I see college and national teams all wearing the same models, they can’t all have the same shaped melon. Well, football helmets have face masks which can catch on things. I saw a design years ago that was presented to the nfl with a seamless face mask to address this but it never went anywhere.

Which are what and how have they been validated to give usable results? I don't think that there is a lot a helmet can do against concussions (and that is just my opinion as someone who isn't an expert but a lot of the data presented seems to lean that way), but since forces are delivered in many ways, I can't say zero. There may be a debate out there for and against this testing protocol, but I want to hear the arguments with data to back up assertions.

Wow, never heard of some of these brands. C&B must make amazing tshirts and hats too for the ridiculous prices they are charging for them. The Ts must rival the Three Wolves Howling at the Moon... My old Easton bag is made of really thick whatever, it must be almost twenty years old with no real wear. Wish it would die, I would get something with more organization. Playing in the morning and having to take everything to shower and leave straight from the rink to work makes forgetting stuff too easy.

My kids do that where when you comment on something they did wrong they just point out the fact that their brother or sister did something bad yesterday and argue we aren't applying the same standard... That isn't the point. Calls are missed and that isn't going to change. IMO the NHL is the worst of the major sports as far as officiating goes. This play was not called a penalty, then play was stopped and not only did they call based on the outcome which wasn't a direct result of the crosscheck, they overreacted and gave a 5 and a 10. The only other call so far that was this bad was the Ferland ejection in the Caps-Carolina series.

That sucks. We have private and public pick-up all over throughout the course of the week and people pick and choose at will. once you get into organized youth hockey things are a bit less cordial, but that is still dependant on different factors and is really a symptom of the professionalization of youth sports in general, not just here.

Could be, most of this tech is handled by a few specialty shops. The hockey companies arent designing and coming up with new materials. I recently did a medical softgoods product and we delved into the modern materials pretty deep.

Wow, couldnt stay up so just finished watching this morning. Great OTs, Carolina just wouldn’t quit.

I honestly don't see how the NHL can't get their officiating in order. I didn't see the video until this afternoon. I assumed the worst then couldn't believe they called that. Love the sport but their officiating is the worst in pro sports and it isn't even close. Others have their controversial calls but the NHL is consistently a joke.

I think he gets no love from US because he isn't from a hockey hotbed, and no love from Canada because he is from the US. The goal can't go in but it has to get out of the zone on one of the three chances they had prior to the shot. The second was a reverse behind the net to nobody (well, a Bruin) and Boston just walked out and scored.

Brutal turnovers leading to the early Bruins goals. I don't love Toronto by any stretch but would have loved to see the Matthews-haters to eat a little crow. But seeing Marchand win makes me sick any day of the week. So at this point I am just anti-Capitals, maybe pro-Stars since my 8 year-old adopted them as his new team after Pens game 3. Would love to see the Caps out but it would be pretty awesome to see the Islanders do it.

I think some version of old Vapors (Vapor 10?) had that steel, not sure what others.

I dont judge anybody by their equipment. You want custom skates and that makes you happy, go for it. You just like to play and still use wooden sticks go for it. It’s a game. I have always been a gear guy, wearing out Great Skate, Ocean, and Kemps catalogs when they showed up in the mail. I still like researching stuff I need but once on the ice I don’t pay attention to it (my bad play keeps me distracted...)

Canes have played well and the series could easily be 2-1 the other way. We'll see if the 'Canes can keep it up. Anything to give jackass Don Cherry heartburn would make me happy.

I always skated one lace down and then I did two, but then I just decided to loosen them completely and that is a completely different thing. I say give it a shot. Pistol squats are hard, do the step ups instead or elevated rear-leg squats.

As for exercises, you can look up things from the “minimalist running” movement. There is a lot of stuff there for strengthening the feet/ankles. From just spending a lot of time walking in your barefeet to sitting using your toes to pull something toward your foot to other stuff. For me it isn’t just the ankle, everything works in concert, knees, hips, etc. So my right knee tracks in which is either a result of or contributor to the pronation. I do a lot of single leg step ups and focus on keeping my knee from tracking in, pistol squats, toe-in calf raises, and just sometimes balancing on one foot. Lateral walks with bands around your ankles or knees, lateral leg raises with ankle weights. Skating-wise, here’s what I do. First I just skated, just paying attention to where my weight was as I transitioned from left to right skate. It told me I was nice and centered when I was on my left (non-pronating) foot and on my right I didn’t shift my weight as much. Whether this was because of my pronation or a result I don’t know, but then I just kept skating at a normal, easy pace just getting my weight where it needed to be on both skates. Then I just started gentle turns, seeing how my skates reacted, how were my feet “working” in the skate. I found on my “good” foot when I turned on the outside edge I was putting pressure on my outside heel while my bad foot didn’t get to the outside half of my foot (no surprise). You will discover some differences in where your weight is laterally but also front to back which I was a bit surprised about. Then I just started doing crossovers, tight turns, backwards, backwards crossovers, pivots, etc. You will learn something from each skill. Subsequent sessions I did less total things and focused on a couple of them at a time. Then I think part 2 is that when you do lace up, instead of just skating, try to do some of the same things and pay attention to the same things and how that feels. Try to apply the lessons learned, don’t just get lazy and let the boot do the work and throw that work out the window. These are my observations, Vet88 has much more expertise here.